Somewhat related question:
How do people feel about certain elements of mafia rules being false, or the mod lying about something?
I'm referring to that area that's usually referred to as "bastard modding", but that term feels just a little vague to me.
I guess I'll just give everyone a few examples, Because I'm struggling to describe it.
Out of these examples, which would be acceptable and why?
Given how some people freaked out when theelk didn't disclose that the mafia had knowledge of all unused cards and roles in the game (Which should be standard across all mafia games, as far as I care), I just want to be cautious.
I just feel 46 needs just a tiny little bit more spice, and I've been wandering a little too much in this direction, and I wonder if discussing this would help me give me something. Seppuku is weird.
(And no, I won't consider doing any of this for mafia 46. Promise. After all, I want mafia 46 to be as vanilla as I can make it.)
(Assume otherwise completely open games unless otherwise stated.)
Spoiler for Hidden:
Example the first:
The moderator tells people that there is a role known as the bastard. The public knows that the bastard is mafia-aligned. On death, the bastard is flipped as a mafia bastard. What the bastard does is not revealed to anyone but the bastard. The public knows the number of bastards (1).
Example the second:
The moderator tells people that there is a role known as the bastard. The public knows that the bastard is mafia-aligned. On death, the bastard is flipped as a mafia (not bastard). What the bastard does is not revealed to anyone but the bastard. The public knows the number of bastards (1).
Example the third:
The moderator tells people that there is a role known as a bastard. The public knows what the bastard does, but not its alignment. The bastard is mafia, and flips as a bastard (not mafia) on death. The public knows about the number of bastards. (1).
Example the fourth:
The moderator tells people that there is a role known as the bastard. The public knows that the bastard is civilian-aligned. The bastard's ability actually makes all investigations on him turn mafia, and if the bastard dies, he flips as mafia. Only the bastard knows this. (This is also referred to as a death miller.). The number of bastards is obscured (there are multiple.)
Example the fifth:
The moderator does not publicly tell people that there is a role known as the bastard. The bastard is a powerful mafia-aligned ability, that balances an otherwise civilian-aligned mafia.
Some civilians, who have additional roles, have a secret ability that tells them of the existence of the bastard and what it does. The mafia are informed of the existence of the ability, and that those who know about it have roles, and the civilians with knowledge of the bastard knows that the mafia know that they have knowledge of the bastard.
(So you want to persuade the entire civilian that the bastard exists? Okay, all your doctors die. :3)
Example the sixth:
Take the above example and completely inverse it- mafia-favouring setup, bastard is a powerful civilian ability.
Example the seventh:
A closed game - no one knows what roles are in the game.
All roles in the game turn out to be completely useless, essentially making the game vanilla.
Example the eighth:
The game is full of EoR skills. The game has a bastard, which is a third-party role, perhaps a serial killer, with a lot of EoR skills. The trick of the serial killer is to not give away its existence.
(Why you can't just declare the third party openly is beyond me.)
Example the ninth:
The mod declares that a number of skills (4) work inversely to how they're told. (Doctors can kill, cops give incorrect information, etc) What abilities are false is told to be independent of civilian or mafia. A doctor can work fine, whilst another doctor can work inverse. How exactly the skill is inverted is not told.
Problem is, I think that most of these examples are okay.
And I know that most of these examples are not okay.
What I don't understand is why dethy setups (4 cops, 3 of which don't work correctly) are okay and these aren't.
(The best part about this post is I get to swear without being told off.
Bastard bastard bastard bastard bastard bastard bastard bastard!)
