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Evil Hamster

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4471#msg4471
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

After demanding that senator apologize again for the millionth time for calling him a liar--

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/obama-calls-kanye-west-jackass/

This story isnt even reported on any of the state-run news websites (cnn, abc, msnbc, cbs)

I even searched those sites. Well- I couldn't search msnbc because my antivirus redirected me to a page that said "search.msnbc.com" was attempting to exploit a known browser vulnerability.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4722#msg4722
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

I don't care about it at all. It's just funny the hypocricy of the administration. For almost a week now they've been putting pressure on that senator to apologize over and over, but the Messiah says something far worse and not a word about it? It doesn't matter if it was "off the record" that is bulls***. It bush- the moron that he was- ever called ANYBODY a jackass- on or off the record- that would have been front page news for weeks.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4723#msg4723
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

I don't have one. There is no conservative/constitutional party. There's the far-left wing socialist democrats and the slightly less left wing (lets do big government but just not as big) republicans.

Or as I like to say one beast with two heads.

Do you really think Obama is doing anything different than Bush? Other than tearing down national defense he's doing the same things Bush did only bigger and faster.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4724#msg4724
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

I remember that Bush comment too. It was big news for a couple days but fizzled out. And if CBS and NBC finally put stories about it- they weren't there this morning!

I was just pointing out the hypocracy of the situation.

Harry Reid- leader of the senate- called Bush a liar (and loser) and never apologized- because Bush WAS lying. In that case, I don't think Wilson should have apologized to Obama because he WAS lying too.

As for "the Messiah"-- it's what liberal zombies lovingly call Obama and people who despise him say mockingly :)

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4725#msg4725
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

i'm not a politisist, but i believe that he is.
i don't really have a concrete example, but:
he's pulling out of iraq (slowly, i know. but he is.)
he's (attempting) to reform health care so that everyone gets coverage.
he's (as far as i know) not giving huge tax breaks to the rich.

those are three things that i personally think he's doing differently.
Bush was pulling out of Iraq before the election. Obama moved up the timetable ONE month just so he could claim credit.

Bush passed the largest-to-date government medical plan- the prescription plan for medicare/medicaid. Obama wants to take over the ENTIRE industry.

Bush passed a tax cut that was a larger percentage of income the less you earned- but it still worked out to more $$ the more you earned- thus the "tax cuts for the rich" I earned $12 an hour when that tax cut went into effect and got $45 extra in a 2-week paycheck. Believe me I never complained about getting back 4 hours of my life every 2 weeks. Obama changed the witholding tables- but NOT the taxes and called it a "tax cut". In reality people will either get a smaller refund or owe more than they did next April. And while he's "regulating" CEO pay through an unelected Czar- CEOs aren't the real rich in this country. The real rich have so much money they wouldn't lower themselves to "work" as a CEO. The real rich are the people behind the fed reserve, "wall street", etc. The people Obama GAVE truckloads of cash and called it a stimulus package.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4726#msg4726
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

Bush did pretty much the same thing, though admittedly he was only running for the presidency at the time and was not yet the president:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/bushcuss.asp
He also did not apologize for it:
When directly asked about hsi remark, Mr. Bush responded, "I regret that a private comment I made to the vice-presidential candidate made it into the public airwaves," which was not an apology.  when pressed as to whether he would apologize, he replied, "I was making a comment to... Cheney.  I didn't realize, obviously, the mikes were going to pick it up"

Honestly I don't remember how big of a news story it was at the time though.  I remember hearing about it but I'm not sure if it was a front page story for weeks.
Anyway, I don't have very strong feelings either way, I generally agree with jmizzle7 on this one.  He obviously should never say it on record, but it is not really that terrible of a thing to have said.  Then again I don't think what that senator did is very bad either, he at least knew his comments were public though.  I may be somewhat biased because I think Kanye West is a jackass (we are talking about a man who hijacked a PBS fundraiser for Katrina victims by claiming the ridiculous statement "George Bush doesn't care about black people", among many other annoying attention seeking things he has done)

As to the hypocricy of the administration, I am not going to try to deny that but I also think that is a general behavior of each administration.  I do see the news story on CBS and MSNBC though.  ABC probably does not want to report it since it was their interview and was off the record, so it seems that would be against policy for them to quote it.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4727#msg4727
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

They did state that it was off the record, meaning Obama was speaking as a dude, not as the president. If it was a remark *on* the record, Obama would have been way out of line, regardless of the validity of that statement. The POTUS is the face of the country and should behave like it, but I think Obama didn't say anything wrong.

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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

It's really funny me to how the US media always clings on to insignificant things like this one, just so that people would forget the REAL problems. :) It's unbelievable..
EXACTLY! FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE STUPIDITY OF THE MEDIA!
We all understand the stupidity of the media... Was that ever in question?

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4729#msg4729
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

i'm not a politisist, but i believe that he is.
i don't really have a concrete example, but:
he's pulling out of iraq (slowly, i know. but he is.)
he's (attempting) to reform health care so that everyone gets coverage.
he's (as far as i know) not giving huge tax breaks to the rich.

those are three things that i personally think he's doing differently.
Strike that, reverse it.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

sorry, i'm confused as to your political affilliation.
what is it?
Strike that, reverse it.

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4731#msg4731
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

It's really funny me to how the US media always clings on to insignificant things like this one, just so that people would forget the REAL problems. :) It's unbelievable..

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Is Obama going to apologize? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=499.msg4732#msg4732
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:53 pm »

I don't care about it at all. It's just funny the hypocricy of the administration. For almost a week now they've been putting pressure on that senator to apologize over and over, but the Messiah  says something far worse and not a word about it? It doesn't matter if it was "off the record" that is bulls***. It bush- the moron that he was- ever called ANYBODY a jackass- on or off the record- that would have been front page news for weeks.
I'm confused at the highlighted part.


 

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