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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg27267#msg27267
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2010, 02:01:10 pm »
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delusional constructions of some conspiracy theorist's wishful thinking
Like the wall street journal?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069551130098386.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg27277#msg27277
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2010, 02:56:29 pm »
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delusional constructions of some conspiracy theorist's wishful thinking
Like the wall street journal?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069551130098386.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion
Unsurprisingly, newspapers sometimes publish opinion pieces. Who knew?

HaHa, now every thing contradicting the governments, the U.N., greenpeace or the mainstream medias is now a conspiracy theorie.  Even backed by solid evidence- which you refuse the even consider looking at.
If you can find some, I'd be glad to see it. I believe in the scientific method where you obtain evidence and draw conclusions from the evidence, rather than starting with a conclusion and trying to find data to support it. Of course I'm looking for significant evidence that contradicts the mountains of data in peer-reviewed journals, and not just cherry-picked quotations that you copy-pasted from some blog.

How much lying can you withstand? How much tax  you want to pay to those crooks?
How much cap and trade ''will save the earth'' from the non pollution of the CO2?
Ah, there it is. It isn't a matter of science for you. It's a matter of politics. Thread over; there's no sense talking to an ideologue.

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg27280#msg27280
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2010, 03:22:46 pm »
Your not trolling right?

Every thing i posted before is backed by a different source.
What your point? quote myself:

1- no consensus about apocalyptic warming due to co2 in 50-100 years .
2-CO2 is not a pollutant
3-CO2 is not a climate driver
4-CO2 is not a major green house gas in our atmosphere
5- the biggest and by far green house gas is water vapor (somehow between 65% -low ipcc, to 95% high)
6- the hockey stick graph is a blatant fraud- ignoring the Medieval Warm Period- acknowledge by large and various scientific fields.
The emails clearly show what everybody should already know about if the press had the slightest remain of objectivity. The AWG is as scientific as the eugenics was pre WW2.

You make it worse for yourself (arrĂȘte tu te cales calisse)



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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg27281#msg27281
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2010, 03:30:53 pm »
How much lying can you withstand? How much tax  you want to pay to those crooks?
How much cap and trade ''will save the earth'' from the non pollution of the CO2?
Ah, there it is. It isn't a matter of science for you. It's a matter of politics. Thread over; there's no sense talking to an ideologue.
It isn't a matter of science for the proponents of global warming, either.  You're assuming that all the evidence for global warming is legitimate, just because they told you it was.  There are plenty of scientists that also argue against man-made global warming and have for a long time.  But they're all written off as nut jobs, and anyone that agrees with them is a conspiracy theorist loon.

35 years ago they were telling us just the opposite.  http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm (http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm)

But I guess you can go pay your carbon offset tax, and feel all warm and fuzzy that you're doing your part to save the planet.   ::)

EDIT: http://climatedebatedaily.com/ (http://climatedebatedaily.com/)  I haven't looked at this site for very long, but it seems to be pretty objective in showing both sides of the argument.

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg27374#msg27374
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2010, 09:40:54 pm »
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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg35415#msg35415
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2010, 03:20:14 am »
What on earth is Post Reserved??

Anyway Global Warming and Iget along fine, I firmly believe our dependecy on Fossil Fuels has to change but likewise don't go in for the hype of the Earth being destroyed (it comes up in different forms every 20 years or so)

Still would like the world to agree on a few things to deal with it though.

Thanks

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg114502#msg114502
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2010, 07:24:56 pm »
Bump.

Anyone have a new thought on global warming?

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg114856#msg114856
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2010, 04:44:54 am »
Bump.

Anyone have a new thought on global warming?
Personally, I feel much of the hype around AGW is driven by goal-oriented thinking.  The goal is often something laudable, like reducing petroleum consumption or saving wildlife habitat.  But since it seems laudable goals alone are not very good at A) convincing people to change their habits or B) getting expensive policies approved or funded, the tact that remains is to make the status quo look like suicide.  "If we all don't stop driving cars right now, we're all gonna die!"

Fear is one of the greatest motivators known since people cease to behave rationally when fear is in play.  It's the tactic of the unscrupulous salesman.  That's how I see the AGW affecting me--since I will never endeavour to do research in this field, I have only how its perceived effects will affect me through new governmental policies, restrictions, taxes and, of course, the knowledge that since we're all not dead yet, the policies/restrictions/taxes must be working.

P.S.  How come we never hear predictions about what the temperature/rainfall/etc will be in like 3 or 5 or 10 years?  It seems with the certainty of prediction for 100 years from now, they ought to be able to make a prediction from their models and then test to see how close the model comes to reality.
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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg114872#msg114872
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2010, 05:32:22 am »
Honestly, my afore posted decision square sums it up.  So what if global warming is fake, it's not like Al Gore is asking up to sacrifice our first born children to the great god Algernon or something horrible.  He's asking us to save money by being more efficient.  Isn't he evil?

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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg115202#msg115202
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2010, 07:21:37 pm »
Honestly, my afore posted decision square sums it up.  So what if global warming is fake, it's not like Al Gore is asking up to sacrifice our first born children to the great god Algernon or something horrible.  He's asking us to save money by being more efficient.  Isn't he evil?
It's hard to take this tact seriously, as it's the old "the ends justifies the means" argument which absolves any sort of behavior as long as you deem the goal as worthy enough.  So if by "global warming is fake" you mean "policy makers are lying" there is a problem.  Lying is not something to be encouraged in politicians (even former ones.)  Further, if you believe the premise is false, why have any faith that their conclusions are to be trusted either? 

Furthermore, if it's really the case that "we're doing this for your own good" then why wouldn't everyone agree to do it with their eyes open?  Why the elaborate charade?  There will always be a few idiots, but most people are going to make a choice to improve their own lot in life when given the chance.

As for saving money by being more efficient, this is something that actually will motivate consumers.  After all, they'd like to hang on their hard-earned money as much as anyone.  You pay less for the same benefit. 

But very few of the proposals about dealing with AGW (including those by Al Gore and cronies) are concerned with practical steps to raise efficiency, instead opting to simply raise consumer costs in an effort to reduce consumption.  This means you pay the same (or more) but get less.  Why exactly should we condone lying (if AGW really is fake) to let this happen?
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Re: Global warming ''consensus'' and you https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1263.msg115286#msg115286
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2010, 08:29:30 pm »
Exellents points Boingo !


 

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