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Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg397879#msg397879
« on: September 23, 2011, 01:36:17 pm »
I couldn't find a section for this (obviously) but you'd think there would be an "Other Cardgames" section in "Off-Topic Discussion" Where I could put it.

Anyway, what follows is the beginnings of a deck I am building which contains cards from all sorts of TCGs. It will follow the rules of Magic: the Gathering, with many of them altered to include the additional cards of course.
The idea of the deck is fairly straight forward, you play a 0 cost creature, cremate it to play Dragonstorm and search up 3 Blue-Eyes White Dragons for 8980 points of overkill turn 2.
Cards have been colour coded into elements for your convenience:



As you can see, I'm 17 cards and a mark short of an Elements deck and 47 short of the MtG deck size I'm going for. Any suggestions would be welcome, no matter what card game they come from but basic Pokemon as my 0 cost creature card is a no go since they all have enough HP to kill an MtG deck in one turn without the Blue-Eyes.

EDIT: ok, we all know what cremation does but here are the other cards:
Costs 3 mana of any sort.
Is a permanent.
Taps for 1 mana when in play.
Gives me a free mulligan if I RFG my opening hand with it in.Costs 9 mana, one of which is :fire.
Is a "sorcery", IE a spell.
Finds a dragon from your deck and puts it into play (bypassing costs and restrictions).
Copies itself for each card played before it besides pillars/pends/marks/lands.Costs 8 star mana which can, to my knowledge, only be produced by pokemon cards (Dual Normal Energy for example). This is not ow it works in Yu-Gi-Oh but this isn't Yu-Gi-Oh.
Is a creature and therefore counts as an attack when attacking. By magic rules, it can't the turn it enters play unless it has haste. By its own rules (Yu-Gi-Oh rules) it can't attack on turn one even if it does.
Is a 3000|2500 dragon, meaning it can be put into play with Dragonstorm and attack for a lot of damage. Has no other abilities but may be fused into the Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon or Blue-Eyes Twin Dragon.Costs 6 mana of any type but may start in play.
Is a character card which works like a mark with abilities but restricts the elements I can use. It also sets my handsize and life. It cannot attack and is not a creature.
•••Adon••• sets my life to 22 and my handsize to 8. He restricts me to playing only Death, Earth and Fire cards (Dragonstorm doesn't play the Blue-Eyes so they can avoid the restriction).
His sole ability is that he can tap to adjust any one damage bonus or reduction by 1 in my favour.
Note: 3-dot Adon (•••Adon•••) is very different from 1-dot, 2-dot or 4-dot Adon (•Adon•, ••Adon•• or ••••Adon••••), please do not confuse them.
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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg398364#msg398364
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 08:31:17 am »
Your 3000|2500 Dragon will be made into a 499|499 Dragon when Played. So you won't do close to 9k damage.

6x Ancestral Recall (http://magiccards.info/un/en/48.html): -> Makes the deck smaller.
 :water - Draw 3 Cards.

4x Demonic Tutor (http://magiccards.info/dvd/en/49.html): -> Makes the deck even smaller.
 1 :rainbow + :darkness - Search your deck for a card and put that card into your hand.

4x Conflux (http://magiccards.info/cfx/en/102.html): -> You catch the drift.
 3 :rainbow + :light :water :darkness :fire :life - Search your deck for a light card, a water card, a darkness card, a fire card, and a life card. Reveal those cards and put them into your hand.
 -> Get: Cremation, Blue Eyes, something to cremate and whatever else you want.

6x Ornithopter (http://magiccards.info/m11/en/211.html): -> Cremate; Probably something from the elements  :life :darkness :water would be better to be drawn from conflux.
 0 - Airborn, 0|2 Creature

6x Nova, 6x Entropy Shard, 6x Precog

-> 28 Cards.

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg398554#msg398554
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 04:45:17 pm »
This is designed to be played by MTG rules so the 499 restriction does not apply. Also, my character card (which I plan to change) restricts my cards to its elements and other, meaning Conflux at the very least is a no go and many of the others might be too. Also, Blue-Eyes should never be searched up, it needs to be in my deck for me to be able to storm it.
Recall and Tutor are possibilities, depending on my character's element restraints, though Serum Powder (http://magiccards.info/ds/en/138.html) is my first choice for that particular purpose as it actually boosts my mulliganing abilities at no mana cost.
Ornithopter seems good but I'm still holding out for a totally epic 0 cost creature to use (unfortunately I can't use Birthday Pikachu).
Nova is practically useless here as the mana is lost at end of turn.
The Shard can't even physically work offline.
Precog seems good though.

Also, you don't happen to know of any good ways to protect the combo do you? My dragons are rather vulnerable to a first turn Sunscour (http://magiccards.info/cs/en/19.html) or similar.

EDIT: I'm having difficulty choosing a character to use. My preferred choice would be **Yoshimitsu** but he can't play fire cards so I have to pick one of two others, please help me:



Going second, you have 7 cards in hand turn 1 so you can force the discard of their entire hand before playing anything, thus ensuring the dragons safety. Sure, it drops your life to 11 but who cares? You win in a turn anyway.
The only drawback is he can't play most of the cards in this deck.


Only 14 life but an 8 card starting hand and the ability to play Fire, Earth and Life. No useful abilities though...


7 card hand and 19 life with the ability to play Fire, Life and Death cards. **Yang** also has the ability to tap a foundation (himself or a land/pillar) to counter a damage reducing or negating ability.
EDIT 2: I'm using 2-dot Yang for now but may change my mind later.

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg400327#msg400327
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 10:20:13 pm »
hmm is that how it is?, well if your using less than 60 cards than heres my deck

6 black lotus
1 backcleave goblin
1 untamed might

turn 1: play 5 black lotuses sacrifice all for 6 black and 9 green, summon backcleave goblin, use untamed might on it spending all mana on X attack and you win (as they havent had a chance to play anything)

bam

wait does this count since its only 1 tcg?

Ah! new idea!

1 lizard runner unduex
4 black lotus
4 fling

turn 1: stand up lizard runner unduex, place black lotus sacrifice for 3 red and ten fling, if theyre still alive then repeat (yes you can do this, as lizard runner unduex is my vanguard he cant be destroyed in any way even sacrificing, normally cards say to sacrifice a rear guard however fling does not)

another cool thing about this is that i have a 6000 attack creature you need to get through.

bam

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg400819#msg400819
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 08:43:59 pm »
I'm pretty sure that fling only works if you can sacrifice the creature and I'm trying to go for a dramatic fun deck with (reasonably) well known cards if possible.

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg400871#msg400871
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2011, 11:12:59 pm »
I'm pretty sure that fling only works if you can sacrifice the creature and I'm trying to go for a dramatic fun deck with (reasonably) well known cards if possible.
ah but i am sacrificing it, thats the beauty of it, it cant die even if i sacrifice, although i normally cant, but since its cross tcg i can
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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg401070#msg401070
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 12:21:35 pm »
ah but i am sacrificing it, thats the beauty of it, it cant die even if i sacrifice, although i normally cant, but since its cross tcg i can
If the card doesn't die then you aren't sacrificing it.

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg401337#msg401337
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 10:43:43 pm »
ah but i am sacrificing it, thats the beauty of it, it cant die even if i sacrifice, although i normally cant, but since its cross tcg i can
If the card doesn't die then you aren't sacrificing it.
well it sort of does die, it takes the same damage my rear guards take it merely comes back again, at any rate sacrificing and dieing are different, for example i can use nim deathmantle to prevents it death but still sacrifice it, that is perfectly legal so why not this (besides it being cross tcg of course)
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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg401711#msg401711
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 06:01:26 pm »
IIRC "Nim Deathmantle" is an M:tG card. In M:tG, sacrificing kills the creature regardless of abilities.

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg402532#msg402532
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 06:07:33 am »
IIRC "Nim Deathmantle" is an M:tG card. In M:tG, sacrificing kills the creature regardless of abilities.
im sorry im afraid i dont understand, yes Nim Deathmatle is an mtg card and yes sacrificing kills the creatures regardless of abilities.

Are you perhaps thinking that he isnt dieng because of an ability? because Lizard runner unduex has no abilities, its merely a portion of the rules which stop him from dieing, thus making it completely different
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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg402810#msg402810
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 06:51:10 pm »
So your saying that this game, whatever it is, has rules whereby sacrificed creatures don't die?
That's a terrible logical failure of that games rules and should not be allowed.

EDIT: character changed to one with above average handsize and life (8/22).

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Re: Dracomageat's Crazy Cross-TCG Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31459.msg403226#msg403226
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 06:09:41 am »
So your saying that this game, whatever it is, has rules whereby sacrificed creatures don't die?
That's a terrible logical failure of that games rules and should not be allowed.

EDIT: character changed to one with above average handsize and life (8/22).
not all sacrificed creatures, only your vanguard, normally it says to sacrifice a rear guard though in order to prevent this from being done, fling however doe not say to do so
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