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Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309399#msg309399
« on: April 10, 2011, 05:29:04 pm »
I'm sorry forum, I normally don't come on begging for help with my homework, but I missed a lecture, this is my first lecture-based college class ever, and I don't know anyone else who can help me besides wolframalpha (and if I use that I'll never learn).

I'm in calculus 152, or "integrals for dummies" as I lovingly call it.  And I'm a dummy.

The specific problem I'm currently stumped on is:
Definite integral from x^4 to x^6 of (2t-1)^3.
(https://webwork.math.ohio-state.edu/webwork2_files/tmp/equations/29/a7660c70944a68edc5dbe62da47a431.png)
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And I'm stumped.  I used substation to get the indefinite derivative to be (1/8)(2t-1)^4, but I've tried chain-ruling in the x^6 and x^4 (I multiplied both terms of the split integral by both the derivative of the bounds, and the integral of the bounds, and it neither worked.  I only tried the integral of the bounds because the derivative didn't work, and I thought that was right.)

Any help would be lovely.

Also:  I missed the lecture on the area between two functions, any help with that would be lovely.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309403#msg309403
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 05:36:48 pm »
6x^5 * (2x^6 - 1)^3 - 4x^3 * (2x^4 - 1)^3

Easy.  You plug the extreme in for t and subtract them, then multiply each part by the derivative of the term plugged in:

(derivative of top extreme) * (2(top extreme) - 1)^3 - (derivative of lower extreme) * (2(lower extreme) - 1)^3

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309405#msg309405
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 05:43:28 pm »
B-b-but... why don't I have to integrate the integrand first?

(Sorry if my terminology sucks)

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309408#msg309408
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 05:45:37 pm »
B-b-but... why don't I have to integrate the integrand first?

(Sorry if my terminology sucks)
er yeah... hold on >.<

I was thinking taking the derivative of the integral, still not quite awake yet.
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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309410#msg309410
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 05:46:37 pm »
(By the way, your answer was right.  I just don't get why)

EDIT:  Figured it out.  It wanted us to find the derivative of that.  1st fundamental rule of calculus problem, I just didn't notice.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309414#msg309414
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 05:50:58 pm »
(By the way, your answer was right.  I just don't get why)

EDIT:  Figured it out.  It wanted us to find the derivative of that.  1st fundamental rule of calculus problem, I just didn't notice.
Lol ok then, I think I somehow knew that just the way it looked, since it seems incredibly complicated otherwise.
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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309543#msg309543
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 09:34:09 pm »
I'm sorry, but what have you been asked to do in that question? Are you supposed to express F(x) as a polynomial function? Find its derivative?
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309546#msg309546
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 09:35:13 pm »
I'm sorry, but what have you been asked to do in that question? Are you supposed to express F(x) as a polynomial function? Find its derivative?
Find it's derivative

Alright, next one I'm stuck on.

(1 pt) Two people, Dale and Jaime, are racing each other. Assume that both their accelerations are constant, Dale covers the last 1/9 of the race in 7 seconds, and Jaime covers the last 1/7 of the race in 9 seconds. Who wins, and by how much?

To answer this question, we need a formula for the time "T" it takes an object accelerating from rest at a constant acceleration "A" to travel a distance "D". This formula is T=(https://webwork.math.ohio-state.edu/webwork2_files/tmp/equations/2e/c0e618235ef44c9eaec448911584261.png)

Using this formula, we find that the time (in seconds) it takes Dale to run the race is:
 and that the time it takes Jaime is:
Thus Jaime wins the race by ____ seconds.

My thoughts:

Plug in 1/9 for D, plug in 7 for T, and solve for A.  You get 2/441 as A, so you plug that back in for acceleration, and 1 in for D.  You solve that again, and get 21 as the time it took to win the race.  This is an online thing, however, so I know 21 is wrong.  And I'm stumped.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309615#msg309615
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 11:29:43 pm »
K you have to be careful that you understand where your formulas are coming from so you know what they mean and when they apply. I usually just stick to coming up with the equations myself so I know what  they mean. It's also less to remember.

The governing idea here is constant acceleration, so starting from that:

a(t) = a, where a is the constant acceleration value
v(t) = integral(a(t)) = a*t + v0    where v0 is the initial velocity
x(t) = integral(v(t)) = 1/2*a*t^2 + v0*t + x0   where x0 is the initial position

To get your formula, I set v0=x0=0 and call x(t)=d, I get:

d=1/2*a*t^2

which solves to:

t=(2*d/a)^(1/2)

Unfortunately though, you don't get to set v0=0, because they're clearly not starting the last fraction of the race at a dead stop.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309622#msg309622
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2011, 11:45:09 pm »
K you have to be careful that you understand where your formulas are coming from so you know what they mean and when they apply. I usually just stick to coming up with the equations myself so I know what  they mean. It's also less to remember.

The governing idea here is constant acceleration, so starting from that:

a(t) = a, where a is the constant acceleration value
v(t) = integral(a(t)) = a*t + v0    where v0 is the initial velocity
x(t) = integral(v(t)) = 1/2*a*t^2 + v0*t + x0   where x0 is the initial position

To get your formula, I set v0=x0=0 and call x(t)=d, I get:

d=1/2*a*t^2

which solves to:

t=(2*d/a)^(1/2)

Unfortunately though, you don't get to set v0=0, because they're clearly not starting the last fraction of the race at a dead stop.
Took me a while, but I got this one too.

The time after the 1/9 of the race is seven seconds after the time before.  So you subtract seven from the "after" half of the equation, and add 8/9 as the distance for the "before" part.  Or:
(2*d/a)^(1/2)-7=((2*8*d/9)/a)^(1/2)

Work with that to get the 7 alone, and you get:
((8/9)^(1/2))((2x/a)^(1/2))-((2x/a)^(1/2))=7

Pull out the ((2x/a)^(1/2)), and you get ((2x/a)^(1/2))(1-((8/9)^(1/2))=7
((2x/a)^(1/2)), if you remember from the beginning, is equal to time.

T*(1-sqr(8/9))=7
T=7/(sqr(8/9))

Work.   (this is online cause I'm workin' with a friend who wanted me to link it to them)

The next one stumping me is a stupid reimann sum.  I know how to do reimann sums, and I've entered in the "correct" thing, but the online is saying my answer is wrong.  It's converting from velocity to time, which might be my issue.

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Re: Calculus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24225.msg309934#msg309934
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2011, 06:37:56 pm »
Oh! I didn't know you were looking for the derivative. I could've helped with that. Looks like there were plenty of other people, though.

 

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