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i like to start by saying that i'm quite happy that zanz introduced this card since everyone was using hyperfast speedbows.R U HAPPY WITH THAT?

yes i am and it is perfect like that.
21 (52.5%)
no, i don't like it at all.
6 (15%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like the infestation thing.
4 (10%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like the vampire thing.
3 (7.5%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like giving a nova to the oppo.
1 (2.5%)
i'll love to use at least 2 supernovas before she came out.
3 (7.5%)
other.
2 (5%)

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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488297#msg488297
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 07:58:34 am »
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488299#msg488299
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 08:01:51 am »
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feel like pre-war talk.. :D :D
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488303#msg488303
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 08:09:06 am »
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feel like pre-war talk.. :D :D
Annnnnnd nope. It's in-war talk :P
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488322#msg488322
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2012, 09:38:31 am »
what singularity? just kidding. Sometimes you might desperately need that second SN, and singularity for one or two turns is something you can (sometimes) deal with. Besides, I like elf card, so 2 supernovas not only gives me quantum, it also gives mutation material. You will see many new card ideas that basically squeal for cheap mutation material besides photons and fireflies, and singularity is exactly that - for an optimist ;). And in Instosis, creating one singularity still grants you a victory vs FG. I don't think that its that big obstacle - opp's black hole is much bigger obstacle, if your deck is rainbow....
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488329#msg488329
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2012, 09:52:52 am »
what singularity? just kidding. Sometimes you might desperately need that second SN, and singularity for one or two turns is something you can (sometimes) deal with. Besides, I like elf card, so 2 supernovas not only gives me quantum, it also gives mutation material. You will see many new card ideas that basically squeal for cheap mutation material besides photons and fireflies, and singularity is exactly that - for an optimist ;). And in Instosis, creating one singularity still grants you a victory vs FG. I don't think that its that big obstacle - opp's black hole is much bigger obstacle, if your deck is rainbow....
if you create a singularity in instosis is not true you're gonna win so easily, you can of course stop her with sundials, but for sure when it hit with antimatter and vampire infested it will hurt you a lot, plus the damage of your ooponent.
anyway, you don't need to use 2 SN's in instosis if you're good enought ;).., but i'm not talkin' only about instosis, i'm talkin about MUCH MUCH MUCH more decks that now are really be depowered a lot, wich is good for me, but the main problem is that it can multiply itself as an immaterial creature(most of the time since turn 2), use antimatter and be a vampire at the same time, it's too much of an affliction.
another thing you said is that you can deal with that for couple of turns and then you wanna mutate it???
IT'S IMMATERIAL AFTER 2 TURNS!
you said "there are some moment when you had a desperate need of two SN's..
AND WHEN YOU NEED THEM IN A DESPERATE WAY IT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH QUANTA, WICH IS ESSENTIAL IN YOUR 6 SN's DECK, WICH PROBABLY IS A RUSH DECK OR DON'T?
so you said yeah but i can mutate it with my elf!
IF YOU WHERE IN DESPERATE NEED OF QUANTA HOW CAN YOU HAVE POSSIBLY AN ELF YET ON THE FIELD??
i don't get your point
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488337#msg488337
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2012, 10:15:13 am »
There are 2 deck archetypes to consider with regards to Supernova singularities.

SN OTK
These decks play SNs one at time. No singularities created.

SN Rush
These decks either play SNs one at a time or include cards like Mutation, Reverse Time and Lightning to remove the singularities. Sure it slows this archetype down. However this archetype was too fast. Immolation recently got nerfed. The nerf to SN was to be expected.

But this also nerfs other decks - as hand cluttering is much more of a problem now...
There are decks that use SNs that are neither Rush nor OTK?

Those who use SNs to evade black holes  & other quanta denial.  - You would just keep 2-3 SNs so you can build your critters without fearing quanta denial. That's why I think 2 sns should always still be possible.

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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488359#msg488359
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