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i like to start by saying that i'm quite happy that zanz introduced this card since everyone was using hyperfast speedbows.R U HAPPY WITH THAT?

yes i am and it is perfect like that.
21 (52.5%)
no, i don't like it at all.
6 (15%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like the infestation thing.
4 (10%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like the vampire thing.
3 (7.5%)
i'm ok with that but i don't like giving a nova to the oppo.
1 (2.5%)
i'll love to use at least 2 supernovas before she came out.
3 (7.5%)
other.
2 (5%)

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is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488269#msg488269
« on: April 27, 2012, 06:47:34 am »
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My personal opinion is that singularity definetely slow down too much deck or at least compromise them too much, for me 'll be fair enought to can use 2 novas before they pop up and put a limit to the number of mitosis that it can do.
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488272#msg488272
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2012, 06:55:35 am »
There are 2 deck archetypes to consider with regards to Supernova singularities.

SN OTK
These decks play SNs one at time. No singularities created.

SN Rush
These decks either play SNs one at a time or include cards like Mutation, Reverse Time and Lightning to remove the singularities. Sure it slows this archetype down. However this archetype was too fast. Immolation recently got nerfed. The nerf to SN was to be expected.
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488273#msg488273
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 07:00:12 am »
There are 2 deck archetypes to consider with regards to Supernova singularities.

SN OTK
These decks play SNs one at time. No singularities created.

SN Rush
These decks either play SNs one at a time or include cards like Mutation, Reverse Time and Lightning to remove the singularities. Sure it slows this archetype down. However this archetype was too fast. Immolation recently got nerfed. The nerf to SN was to be expected.

But this also nerfs other decks - as hand cluttering is much more of a problem now...

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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488274#msg488274
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 07:01:45 am »
There are 2 deck archetypes to consider with regards to Supernova singularities.

SN OTK
These decks play SNs one at time. No singularities created.

SN Rush
These decks either play SNs one at a time or include cards like Mutation, Reverse Time and Lightning to remove the singularities. Sure it slows this archetype down. However this archetype was too fast. Immolation recently got nerfed. The nerf to SN was to be expected.

But this also nerfs other decks - as hand cluttering is much more of a problem now...
There are decks that use SNs that are neither Rush nor OTK?
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488280#msg488280
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 07:18:37 am »
some speedbows where to fast to face PvP, i admit it, but this may be too much of a disadvantage.
i was thinking to let things like that for decks with enthropy mark and goes with a limit of 2 for decks with other marks, i didn't make all the math but for sure the enthropy speedbows where the real problem..
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488286#msg488286
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 07:28:31 am »
Speedbow are still way too good in pvp for me so this nerf is a good thing but still not enough. You suggestion will just make the previous nerf quite useless.
Also you can play 2 novas in the same turn without having a singularity, you can't play 2 supernovas though.
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488287#msg488287
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 07:34:03 am »
Speedbow are still way too good in pvp for me so this nerf is a good thing but still not enough. You suggestion will just make the previous nerf quite useless.
Also you can play 2 novas in the same turn without having a singularity, you can't play 2 supernovas though.
for sure you got far too much experience then me, so i trust you.
but isn't it too much aggressive by multipling itself,using vampire abilty plus antimatter and restoring quanta with novas to the oppo?
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488289#msg488289
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 07:44:53 am »
Precisely the point. If it wasn't something to fear, it wouldn't be a nerf, woulld it?
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488290#msg488290
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 07:46:44 am »
Speedbow are still way too good in pvp for me so this nerf is a good thing but still not enough. You suggestion will just make the previous nerf quite useless.
Also you can play 2 novas in the same turn without having a singularity, you can't play 2 supernovas though.
for sure you got far too much experience then me, so i trust you.
but isn't it too much aggressive by multipling itself,using vampire abilty plus antimatter and restoring quanta with novas to the oppo?
No it is not too aggressive. It only is created when you make one. So don't make the mistake to create one without a means to clean up your waste.
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488291#msg488291
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 07:47:06 am »
Precisely the point. If it wasn't something to fear, it wouldn't be a nerf, woulld it?
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488294#msg488294
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 07:52:46 am »
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Yes I agree with what Jenkar, singularity MUST make you loose when you got one, otherwise people would just use SN as always..
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Re: is singularity too much annoying and INVASIVE ! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39266.msg488295#msg488295
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 07:55:12 am »
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Yes I agree with what Jenkar, singularity MUST make you loose when you got one, otherwise people would just use SN as always..
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