[POLL] Which Cards are Overpowered? 1.30

[xdude]

That said, I don't see any REAL need to change any of the cards, some are rather powerful, but that's really a perk of picking the right element now isn't it?

...but picking an element should depend on a player's style of playing not on which is the best, since they should all be equally powerful... right?

[Kael Hate]

Why do people think earthquakes are so overpowered?
They just don't want to play vs land destruction.

More like people think its OP because against it most of the time they never get to play, they just lose.

[Kuroaitou]

I initially disliked the idea of Flying/Animated Weapon (ever since I fought against Divine Glory... dear god), but then realized that unless the opponent specifically stacked their deck to support immaterial weapons, then a flying weapon can still be countered/destroyed/devoured like any other creature.

I also voted Black Hole and Earthquake/Quicksand, which not surprisingly were the two cards with the MOST votes of being overly strong when played early (especially early - they're equivalent to devourers/pests that just munch all of your quanta within seconds of you trying to gain something). Denial decks are one thing, but these two cards really just throw me out of the window every single time I go against the opponent (even with multiple cards on a non rainbow deck, these two just screw me over every single time I need a certain amount of quanta for a monster or permanent). 

Most of the weapons to me are balanced, including Eternity and Pulverizer (Both can be ruined by denial of quanta, effective immunities (see mono- ), or possibly stealing/destroying them before usage. 


Just my opinion of course. [EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW THAT DRAGONFLIES ARE THE BEST CARD EVER]

[Rastafla]

SoG is the only card i think is closest to OP. 5hp every turn for 2 quanta is fine but at 30hp/turn for a total 10 quanta as it becomes in the end is very nasty. SoGs behind any shield and your opponent feels immortal. The only choice is to use 6 of your own and hope you can keep up and draw just as many as the opponent does.

And thats my opinion.

Otherwise I think as Kamietsu does, the other cards are all different shades of strong and can be worked around.

*picks the imaginary option 'none of the above'* I don't believe any of them are overpowered. Some are stronger than others, yeah, but none are so strong they are to the point of overpowering.

[zzz123]

almost every deck i've ever designed has been built around otys, because they frigging ROCK! which probably tells you something...
imho if devour was changed to only increase damage but NOT health, it would become much less overpowered. an upgraded oty, particularly with an upgraded armor on it, would STILL clean up almost anything that exists on the table, but you don't just automatically get there by eating an army of (possibly your own) skeletons.

in other news, denial strategies are ok, but not when they based on only one card. I lose about 85-90% of games where an earthquake is played on the first round by the opponent, and 100% of the ones where he manages to land 2 in the first couple rounds of the game (using a rainbow deck), but win 95+% of the time against the same opponents when he doesn't (i.e. every time i don't end up with a game where i have no pillars or no creatures for the first 10-15 rounds)

[IStoneI]

please dont make your judgements on the basis how powerful cards are when used by false gods. false gods are extremely overpowered in terms of quanta/hp and dont have the 6 cards of one kind limit. i played games, that where impossible, because they drew 7 to 8 explosions in their first 3 turns and killed my towers and items (shields, sundials). but that doesnt mean, the card itself is overpowered.

the only things that concern me at the moment are the pulverizer and earthquake/quicksand. if any i think both costs should be raised. earthquake/quicksand to 5/4 and the destroy ability of the pulverizer at least to 3. in my experience. when i draw a trident/pulverizer early in the game its a quick win. if the enemy is drawing it early, its a shure loss (unless im extremely lucky to have a steal/explosion on hand, which is extremly unprobable in a 40 cards deck). if hes is drawing pulverizer/trident + protect artifact, i can already quit the game. i havent seen any rainbow deck so far, that can survive without items. and i just cant take 6 protect artifacts with me every time.

[Xinef]

Raising pulverizers ability cost to 3 would not make it any weaker in hands of a false god, as his mark is generating 3 already... unless you play a pest.
As for PA, I find 3 the optimal number. 1 for Eternity, 1 for Permafrost and 1 for Feral Bond, this way I have a secure defense even if FG destroys all my hourglasses and shards. With 3 PA I can also often save most of my pillars when fighting against pillar denial decks... though my deck has both quantum towers and time towers, so it's still not easy.

Though I would prefer EQ to have it's ability nerfed, not the cost. Making it less powerful in the beginning, but more powerful in late game through making it destroy eg. 1/3 of all pillars in the stack seems reasonable, as Kael Hate suggested here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4031.msg44199#msg44199).

[IStoneI]

again, i dont think its a good idea, to balance cards on the basis of how powerful they are in the hands of false gods. i agree, that false gods are too powerful at the moment. before the last ai update, false gods have been ridicilously overpowered, but you could still beat them, by exploiting their weaknesses and better play. (for example get them to waste their explosions/pulverizer uses on your bonewalls and thus protecting more important artifacts).

but after the last ai update some of them are nearly impossible to beat. i cant remember, ever winning a match against divine glory (if thats the one with the flying morning glorys) or the one, that just nukes you in the first few rounds with unstable gas. but thats just a matter of balancing the gods not a matter of balancing the cards.

if you want to figure out if cards are overpowered or not, i would suggest, comparing them against top 50 decks.

[Xinef]

Divine Glory, Octane and eg. Dark Matter are not impossible to beat... they just need a different design of your deck. My 'Pharaoh sails to Orion' (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4958.msg55301#msg55301) deck beats Divine Glory and Octane with ease, and Dark Matter if you are lucky enough to start rewinding his creatures. It's all about healing fast enough, while slowing the FG down. Though my deck needs a number of upgraded cards (SoGs) to work at all... some rainbow decks can also beat these gods with luck and upgraded cards.

As for your suggestion to try against top50... I guess PvP would be a better indicator

[JETZAL]

Personally i don't think any of them are OP

[Retribution]

Definitely nerf black hole. This is the reason half-bloods with gravity makes me lose.
I also think Fractal should be nerfed. It's way OP.

[Kurohami]

Black hole kills rainbow easily but not really overpower against mono or duo decks. Fractal is not overpowered because it really does nothing in a deck that is not particularly designed for it. The few successful fractal decks are pretty powerful, but not to the point of invincibility, I think fractal is nerfed all the way already since it drains all aether quanta.