[POLL] Which Cards are Overpowered? 1.30

[plastiqe]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all cards are not created equal, that they are endowed by zanzarino with different Elements to fight, that among these are Life, Gravity and the pursuit of Electrum.

How do you define an overpowered card in Elements?

• Provides a signifigant advantage over other comparable cards. 
• Cost not balanced with effect.
• "Any card is overpowered and should be removed or changed if it forces you to either pack hate against it or devote some number of cards to keep up just to be considered a viable deck."
  ~ jmizzle7
  
• "When you look at balancing cards, you cannot look at decks, or AI, or AI level.  You can only look at cards.  All else can follow once it's balanced."
  ~ Gl1tch
  
• Just because there is a way to counter a card does not mean it is fair and balanced.

Spoiler for (POLL) Which Cards are Overpowered? 1.29:

Shard of Sacrifice      97 (19.4%) Discord      45 (9%) Nova/Supernova      42 (8.4%) Dimensional/Phase Shield      39 (7.8%) Earthquake/Quicksand      35 (7%) Black Hole      34 (6.8%) Reverse Time/Rewind      29 (5.8%) Gravity Nymph      27 (5.4%)

Pandemonium      17 (3.4%) Graboid/Elite Graboid      15 (3%) Antimatter      13 (2.6%) Dune Scorpion      9 (1.8%) Shard of Readiness      8 (1.6%) Fire Bolt/Fire Lance      8 (1.6%) Fractal      8 (1.6%) Ice/Permafrost Shield      7 (1.4%)

Sanctuary      7 (1.4%) Shard of Serendipity      7 (1.4%) Lava Golem/Destroyer      6 (1.2%) Immolation/Cremation      5 (1%) Shard of Gratitude      4 (0.8%) Silence      4 (0.8%) Hope      10 (2%) None of them      23 (4.6%)

Total Members Voted: 223

Spoiler for (POLL) Which cards are Overpowered? 1.26 to 1.28:

Earthquake/Quicksand     74 (11.8%) Shard of Gratitude     67 (10.7%) Dimensional/Phase Shield     48 (7.7%) Black Hole     43 (6.9%) Discord     41 (6.5%) Hope     32 (5.1%) Antimatter     29 (4.6%)

Graboid/Elite Graboid     28 (4.5%) Supernova     26 (4.2%) Dune Scorpion     26 (4.2%) Gravity Nymph     26 (4.2%) Ice/Permafrost Shield     26 (4.2%) Fractal     23 (3.7%) Immolation/Cremation     20 (3.2%)

Lava Golem/Destroyer     18 (2.9%) Reverse Time/Rewind     18 (2.9%) Silence     14 (2.2%) Dusk Mantle     11 (1.8%) Otyugh     9 (1.4%) Quintessence     9 (1.4%) None of them     38 (6.1%)

Total Members Voted: 265

Spoiler for (POLL) Which cards are Overpowered? 1.24 to 1.25:

Earthquake/Quicksand      71 (15.6%) Fractal      48 (10.5%) Shard of Gratitude      46 (10.1%) Black Hole      43 (9.4%) Hope      29 (6.4%) Ice/Permafrost Shield      24 (5.3%) Graboid/Elite Graboid      23 (5%) Quintessence      20 (4.4%)

Discord      17 (3.7%) Nova/Supernova      16 (3.5%) Otyugh      16 (3.5%) Dimensional/Phase Shield      15 (3.3%) Dusk Mantle      11 (2.4%) Lava Golem/Destroyer      9 (2%) Reverse Time/Rewind      8 (1.8%) Pulverizer      8 (1.8%)

Eternity      8 (1.8%) Fog Shield/Improved Fog      7 (1.5%) Steal      7 (1.5%) Quantum Pillar/Tower      5 (1.1%) Golden/Electrum Hourglass      3 (0.7%) None of them      22 (4.8%)

Total Members Voted: 209

Spoiler for (POLL) Which Cards are Overpowered? 1.21 to 1.23:

Earthquake/Quicksand      101 (14.4%) Black Hole      75 (10.7%) Fractal      54 (7.7%) Shard of Gratitude      46 (6.5%) Pulverizer      44 (6.3%) Quintessence      41 (5.8%) Otyugh      41 (5.8%)

Hope      41 (5.8%) Graboid      30 (4.3%) Dimensional/Phase Shield      27 (3.8%) Ice/Permafrost Shield      25 (3.6%) Reverse Time/Rewind      20 (2.8%) Golden/Electrum Hourglass      20 (2.8%) Dusk Mantle      20 (2.8%)

Steal      18 (2.6%) Eternity      16 (2.3%) Lava Golem/Destroyer      14 (2%) Flying Weapon      13 (1.8%) Nova/Supernova      11 (1.6%) Bone Wall      11 (1.6%) Freeze/Congeal      9 (1.3%)

Fallen Elf/ Fallen Druid      8 (1.1%) Empathic Bond      6 (0.9%) Firefly Queen      6 (0.9%) Sundial      4 (0.6%)

Total Members Voted: 289

[casthegamer]

dusk mantle?

[diviad]

Black hole, make it take less and cost more!  6 to cast and takes 2 from each or something like that.  It rocks a rainbow deck too much and does barely anything to a mono deck.  Don't forget this thing heals as well!

Another idea would be to make it take a max number of quants from a random number of elements.

Orr, say it takes 8 from 1 element, 6ea from 2 elements, 4ea from 3 elements, and 2 from all.

[plastiqe]

Quick note:  As of this posting Eternity, Pulv, Graboid & Steal have seen changes on the Trainer.

[Kael Hate]

From that list, Only Earthquake|Quicksand concerns me.

It is playable way too early for its effect. I would like to see it changed to give the opponent a little break.

Suggestion 1 - Earthquake destroys 1/3 of the opponents towers in that stack Rounded up. This makes it better in the late game, always destroys at least one but cannot clear a stack when they have 3 pillars on the table. The opponent can still get some quanta if quite impaired. The Quake user is not losing card advantage because he can guarantee 1 destroyed pillar at least. In the late game if the targeted player has 12-15 Pillars to use for fueling triggers or Pumpspells like firebolt, the Quake can hit a massive 4-5 pillars and slow him down but unlikely to cut him to death.

Suggestion 2 - Turn Earthquake into a pumpspell. It destroys 1 pillar + 1 for every full 10 earth quanta the caster has. In the early game the caster can deny only a limited selection of pillars allowing the opponent a chance to build a counter but in the end game a total denial can still ensue.

[Scaredgirl]

I removed my name from the list even though it was a good joke and I said ok to it at first. After voting and actually thinking about it, I realized it just makes this very important poll kind of a joke. It's a shame really because I had the lead and probably would have won a cool award icon or something.

Please change the title to "Poll: Most Overpowered Card?" and we'll make this thread official with sticky etc. Thanks.

I'd also like to see more cards added to the list. Everyone please give suggestions.

[CelestrialDreamer]

Dusk mantle is not OP
turtle shell is a lot more powerful
apart from blocking 50% attacks, creatures cant use spells as well when time bubbled

i voted for earthquake

and...why freeze is OP?

[Xinef]

I voted for pulverizer (because for renewable permanent destruction in a deck that can easily protect it's permanents seems unbalanced). I guess that nerfing in trainer to when upgraded was well deserved (while pulvy still remains the best rare weapon on par with eternity)

As for black hole, I guess it should be changed to work a bit better against mono/duo and a bit less against rainbows. For example increase it's cost (so that it's less harmful when used against a rainbow in the first few turns), and make it drain at least 10 quanta (so it first tries to drain 3 quanta of each element, then if it was less than 10 it drains the remaining ones from random elements).

As for quint my suggestion is to make it a bit more expensive and make creatures targetable when frozen/stunned by a shield.

And now, that I read suggestions about earthquake, I think they are very reasonable as well. Earthquake would be still a powerful spell, but it would break the synergy of shriekers (very powerful and fast deck) + pillar denial (very powerful in the beginning) = kill quickly while opponent can do nothing
into shriekers (good for aggressive decks) and earthquake (good for control decks), so no synergy


As for the eternity, I guess it is a very versatile card, but not OP in any of it's possible uses. It can be used to deny creatures, but in fact it proves good only against some AI3 and buffing decks. Not so good against FG and PvP.
It can be used to save poisoned or mutated creatures, but the healing is done much cheaper by angels, and having your creatures mutated is not that bad usually.
And as far as anti-deckout use is considered, I guess there will be more ways to deal with it in the future, but anyway nerfing that would only cause people to say ' needs a boost!'
So the nerf in the trainer was not deserved in my opinion, but it is not that bad either, so I won't protest if it stays that way.

[doomeister]

I think you should add Cremation and Lava Golem/ Destroyer to this list. Being able to get out two lava destroyers and a werewolf on the first turn is a bit too good.
But, for me, nothing is more annoying than getting three Towers on my first turn and having them all destroyed by earthquake, so thats what i voted for.

[blu]

Congeal- I think its unresonable to be unable to do anything for 4 turns its a bit much really. Spelll no where near as bad as sheild is.

Quakes- yes way to overpower to stop someone 2 fast in there tracks and way to cheap for what it does. If its going to take out 3 pillars it shouldnt only cost 1 quanta.

Bone wall- is very Op it should only gave person bone charge if person who played it creature dies not any creature.

Dusk- the math on the dusk just really needs to be fix missing with 3 creature 2-3 turns in row without a hit is way to broken and on the 4th turn only 1 hits like ya. Its  Like a  phase shield but it never  goes away it just keeps going and going unless stolen or defrag.

Rewind- think should cost more cause just the simple fact of mummy 3 quanta rewind 1 and you will have a creature that can push out bunch of scarabs thats cheaper then ffq and scarabs eat everthing when there a bunch out

[Xinef]

Congeal- I think its unresonable to be unable to do anything for 4 turns its a bit much really. Spelll no where near as bad as sheild is.

Quakes- yes way to overpower to stop someone 2 fast in there tracks and way to cheap for what it does. If its going to take out 3 pillars it shouldnt only cost 1 quanta.

Bone wall- is very Op it should only gave person bone charge if person who played it creature dies not any creature.

Dusk- the math on the dusk just really needs to be fix missing with 3 creature 2-3 turns in row without a hit is way to broken and on the 4th turn only 1 hits like ya. Its  Like a  phase shield but it never  goes away it just keeps going and going unless stolen or defrag.

Rewind- think should cost more cause just the simple fact of mummy 3 quanta rewind 1 and you will have a creature that can push out bunch of scarabs thats cheaper then ffq and scarabs eat everthing when there a bunch out

Bone wall is not overpowered. It is expensive and in fact easy to destroy with many decks. Just look at Morte and Incarnate - they are in fact amongst the weakest false gods.
The problem with bone wall is that in early game it only clutters your hand. You have not enough quanta to play it, and even if you can, you usually keep it for later, or you would lose it in 2-3 turns, so it would be like an a bit more expensive phase shield. On the other hand in the late game it is indeed powerful, but only if you already have control over the field (quinted oty for example, or rain of fire against a bunch of low hp creatures), so in fact it is rarely a card changing the outcome of a battle.

As for rewind... with a thunderbolt and 1 you can kill a number of dragon kinds, an upgraded oty, a fallen druid, a shrieker... on the other hand a rewind only delays these for one turn and makes some quanta difference, but offensively seems less powerful (against growth creatures and buff decks it might be more powerful than a thunderbolt, but only if you have another way to kill those creatures after you rewind them).
As for the mummy+rewind against an FFQ... mummy+rewind are two cards. This means you have to draw both. Instead of these cards you could include two FFQs, two graboids, two lycanthropes or any two cards that do a lot of damage, cheap and are more reliable than mummy+rewind combo.

Oh, and as far as dusk mantle is concerned... you had just bad luck. People often notice if they have a series of misses, but you probably don't remember how often you fought against a dusk mantle and landed more hits than misses. Just try to do some calculations or extensive tests and if after 20 tests you still have much more misses than hits, than it might prove something. But a single situation proves nothing.

[killfer8]

Reverse Time/Rewind     is the most overpowered, just when i have all my army, Destiny(FG) uses the rewind and im gone