[Official] Toadfish | Puffer Fish

[Demut]

Well, Toadfish/Squid is in the same tier as graboid/shrieker rush, Devour/Fractal and Discord, which all need a small nerf. Perhaps a one attack point nerf is what is needed.

[RootRanger]

Demut, you didn't give any reasons for your arguement. You said it that toadfish needs to be nerfed, but why? Because it is in a high tier? Why do you say that?

[Demut]

I said perhaps a one point reduction, I did not use an absolute. The combo does need a nerf though. Perhaps the toad fish should be nerfed, perhaps the squid should be nerfed. I'm not sure what you are looking for, it was the absolute most common strategy used in underworld's winners brackets and for good reason. It destroys any deck without spell based CC. Which by the definition of overpowered is overpowered.

[Kurohami]

Not to pry, but 5 water for 6 damage is worse than the following:

3 damage for free
1 damage for free
3 damage for 2
4 damage for 3
In fact, all of those also beat mummy, and the first two beat ash eater.

It's attack power to cost ratio is actually pretty poor.

And now for my usual mantra:
Before you post a card in the nerf this card section, please play WITH the card, not just against it.
Before you post a card in the buff this card section, please play AGAINST the card, not just with it.

3 damage for free is not better, spark only does damage for 1 turn whereas toadfish does damage for many turns and if a shield is in effect it would be worse.

[RavingRabbid]

I said perhaps a one point reduction, I did not use an absolute. The combo does need a nerf though. Perhaps the toad fish should be nerfed, perhaps the squid should be nerfed. I'm not sure what you are looking for, it was the absolute most common strategy used in underworld's winners brackets and for good reason. It destroys any deck without spell based CC. Which by the definition of overpowered is overpowered.

It's a really quanta expensive combo, and is completely killed by any CC. Quanta control and CC are really common in PVP scene.

[Demut]

It's a really quanta expensive combo, and is completely killed by any CC. Quanta control and CC are really common in PVP scene.

Not any CC, only spell based CC. And again, I must explain that the fact is can be countered doesn't matter in most cases, what matters is how much it counters.

[ArtCrusade]

Why not any CC? If you have an Elite Otyugh out before your enemy plays a Toadfish his whole tactic is screwed because of one card.

[Demut]

No, the elite otyugh will get frozen. Not much good when its on ice.

[Kuross]

I fail to see why this card needs a nerf simply because it is in a tier where it can see some useful action. Most of the time, Nerf = never play again, or played so rarely that it's obsolete. Honestly, this card does not need a nerf. It is amusing though to see it get a buff so it can be played a little more often only to have people ask for a nerf.

[thatnewguy]

an oty will also get poisoned from eating a toadfish, but on this subject i find toadfish a great card i've used it in mono and duo decks and i have to say i love this little creature. IF it does get something done to it, i suggest a buff lowering cost to 4, but i don't believe it is in need of a nerf in the least bit.

Also ninja'd by kuross

[Demut]

I fail to see why this card needs a nerf simply because it is in a tier where it can see some useful action. Most of the time, Nerf = never play again, or played so rarely that it's obsolete. Honestly, this card does not need a nerf. It is amusing though to see it get a buff so it can be played a little more often only to have people ask for a nerf.

The goal would be to try to get everything onto a similar teir. And its easier to nerf the few overpowered cards/combos then to try buffing the other cards.

[Uppercut]

The goal would be to try to get everything onto a similar teir. And its easier to nerf the few overpowered cards/combos then to try buffing the other cards.

This will never happen. You can't expect to put everything on the same tier. Let power creep naturally change the tiers and stop trying to force it by changing cards that simply don't need to be changed.