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How should the shard be nerfed?

The shard is balanced already
25 (31.6%)
Make attack boost part of the status effect
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Reduce the damage increase
25 (31.6%)
Increase the cost
9 (11.4%)
Other (please suggest)
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523669#msg523669
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2012, 05:59:43 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523670#msg523670
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2012, 06:01:56 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

Not impossible, and yes you can. 

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523673#msg523673
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2012, 06:11:52 pm »
Sow should fit in any deck, but gives bonus to  :aether.
Also, should give some new strategy, not boost the hated one.

Something like:
4 :rainbow
+2/+0, +4/+0 if immaterial
deals magic damage
infect the creature


This way, what we get:
Any creature can get magic damage, but its gonna die soon.
A normal creature gains a small boost, but you can use purify (as Rage Elixir).
A immaterial creature gains a big boost, but you can't save it.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523676#msg523676
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2012, 06:13:10 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

Not impossible, and yes you can.

I know you can, its not impossible, but is damn hard.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523742#msg523742
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2012, 09:13:30 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

Not impossible, and yes you can.

I know you can, its not impossible, but is damn hard.
Not really. Wisdom (being a slower surer rush) is defeated by faster rush decks.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523745#msg523745
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2012, 09:44:19 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

Not impossible, and yes you can.

I know you can, its not impossible, but is damn hard.
Not really. Wisdom (being a slower surer rush) is defeated by faster rush decks.
I think he means in addition to shields. A regular immortal+SoW rush would probably lose to a shrieker rush, but with shields added, it'd force the opposing rush to add PC, lowering its speed.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523762#msg523762
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2012, 11:06:45 pm »
Shard of Wisdom is, for me, more powerful than Shard of Sacrifice.
A SoSa deck is hard to beat without Purify, but you still can do it.
SoW deck is very easy to beat with those magic shields, but impossible without them.

You can't win if you opponent have a 16 power immaterial unblockable creature!

Not impossible, and yes you can.

I know you can, its not impossible, but is damn hard.
Not really. Wisdom (being a slower surer rush) is defeated by faster rush decks.
I think he means in addition to shields. A regular immortal+SoW rush would probably lose to a shrieker rush, but with shields added, it'd force the opposing rush to add PC, lowering its speed.
Are we talking about Dimensional Shield or about SoW? SoW is countered by Rush. Dimensional Shield is countered by PC. SoW + Dimensional Shield is even slower than SoW or Dimensional Shield. It is beaten by Rush + PC.

X+Y is beaten by A+B.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523766#msg523766
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2012, 11:11:36 pm »
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Deck 1. A rush with PC.

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Deck 2. Just a pure rush.

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Deck 3. SoW + phase shield.

In the Xenosim:
Deck 1 vs Deck 3 gets around a 50% of winning.
Deck 2 vs Deck 3 gets around a 45% of winning.
Deck 1 vs Deck 2 gets around a 30% of winning.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523769#msg523769
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2012, 11:18:45 pm »
The shard whould be affect only aether and imaterial would be do a spell damage and other creature just buff the attack power
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523783#msg523783
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2012, 11:41:20 pm »

Deck 1. A rush with PC.


Deck 2. Just a pure rush.

Deck 3. SoW + phase shield.

In the Xenosim:
Deck 1 vs Deck 3 gets around a 50% of winning.
Deck 2 vs Deck 3 gets around a 45% of winning.
Deck 1 vs Deck 2 gets around a 30% of winning.

I have no idea.


The AI has 2 phase shields, enough quanta to use them, and enough damage to kill me in 6 turns. I'm doomed!


No wait, never mind.


The Ai has no problems playing rush decks, but plenty of problems with phase shields. Therefore any AI vs AI simulation provides no useful information.

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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523789#msg523789
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2012, 11:46:34 pm »
hehe. Good point! Now then, all we have to do is get a bunch of people to test which deck beats which. Oh, and here's deck 4. A SoW rush.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg523936#msg523936
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2012, 10:21:30 am »
Again someone complaining after losing a game vs a deck using a card and call it OP..
SoW is way to slow to be OP and immortal creatures are also too slow, any deck with SoW can be easily outrushed.

Plus Sow is useless when alone.
i totaly am with ralouf here this card is not OP as mono aether can be easy rushed. dont nerf it imo

 

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