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How should the shard be nerfed?

The shard is balanced already
25 (31.6%)
Make attack boost part of the status effect
6 (7.6%)
Reduce the damage increase
25 (31.6%)
Increase the cost
9 (11.4%)
Other (please suggest)
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg504264#msg504264
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2012, 03:27:11 pm »
Please recognize that there are 6 ways to deal with creatures, 5 ways to deal with immortal and 4 ways to deal with immortal wisdom.

That said, the attack buff is probably too high.
4 ways = upped and unupped mirror and jade?
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg504361#msg504361
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2012, 09:41:03 pm »
Please recognize that there are 6 ways to deal with creatures, 5 ways to deal with immortal and 4 ways to deal with immortal wisdom.

That said, the attack buff is probably too high.
4 ways = upped and unupped mirror and jade?
That is 1 of the 4
The remaining are
Healing
Rushing
Denial
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg504364#msg504364
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2012, 09:47:03 pm »
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Please recognize that there are 6 ways to deal with creatures, 5 ways to deal with immortal and 4 ways to deal with immortal wisdom.

That said, the attack buff is probably too high.
4 ways = upped and unupped mirror and jade?
That is 1 of the 4
The remaining are
Healing
Rushing
Denial
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IDK if the attack it gives is too high... 5|3 quanta for 5 attack seems balanced.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg504371#msg504371
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2012, 09:57:27 pm »
Spoiler for Hidden:
Please recognize that there are 6 ways to deal with creatures, 5 ways to deal with immortal and 4 ways to deal with immortal wisdom.

That said, the attack buff is probably too high.
4 ways = upped and unupped mirror and jade?
That is 1 of the 4
The remaining are
Healing
Rushing
Denial
OldTrees strikes again.

IDK if the attack it gives is too high... 5|3 quanta for 5 attack seems balanced.
5 :rainbow|3 :rainbow +1card ~= 2 :light|1 :light +1card.
Also doesn't Shard of Wisdom cost 3 :rainbow|1 :rainbow +1card? ~= 1 :light|1 :rainbow +1card.
Blessing costs 3 :light|2 :light +1card for +3|+3
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510038#msg510038
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2012, 06:31:56 am »
The health boost is moot on bless as quinted creatures are immune to cc. Also, wisdom can only be used on 2 creatures without a second card(quint). Finally, note that any creature you can sow you cannot bless.

I would say that spell damage should be affected by the effects of shields(freeze from permafrost, poison from thorn, blocking from grav,etc.) while ignoring damage reductions.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510040#msg510040
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2012, 06:38:23 am »
The health boost is moot on bless as quinted creatures are immune to cc. Also, wisdom can only be used on 2 creatures without a second card(quint). Finally, note that any creature you can sow you cannot bless.
Please reread. I was making a cost comparison (SoW cost << Blessing cost) not suggesting blessing immaterial creatures.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510044#msg510044
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2012, 06:40:28 am »
I was more saying that they couldnt accurately be compared.
I suppose a better comparison would be bless+momentum, although that still seems to fall short.

i dont think we should nerf the damage, the real problem is that it creates a creature that is simply too difficult to counter
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510053#msg510053
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2012, 06:55:50 am »
I was more saying that they couldnt accurately be compared.
I suppose a better comparison would be bless+momentum, although that still seems to fall short.

i dont think we should nerf the damage, the real problem is that it creates a creature that is simply too difficult to counter
Greater Effect and Lower cost equals imbalance. I think the comparison was sufficient to convey that message.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510055#msg510055
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2012, 07:07:04 am »
After staring at it for a few minutes i now see that I was misreading it, likely due to my lack of sleep.
For some reason i thought it meant that they were about equal.
i apologize for the trouble, and i will not be on the forums this late again.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510148#msg510148
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2012, 02:11:11 pm »
After staring at it for a few minutes i now see that I was misreading it, likely due to my lack of sleep.
For some reason i thought it meant that they were about equal.
i apologize for the trouble, and i will not be on the forums this late again.
No trouble. You made me clarify my message so it was more understandable.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg510162#msg510162
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2012, 03:07:31 pm »
Again someone complaining after losing a game vs a deck using a card and call it OP..
SoW is way to slow to be OP and immortal creatures are also too slow, any deck with SoW can be easily outrushed.

Plus Sow is useless when alone.
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Re: Shard of Wisdom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40392.msg511035#msg511035
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2012, 08:09:34 pm »
Again someone complaining after losing a game vs a deck using a card and call it OP..
SoW is way to slow to be OP and immortal creatures are also too slow, any deck with SoW can be easily outrushed.

Plus Sow is useless when alone.

completely agree with you, SoW is not OP, it's fine. Can be outrushed in every way, there are other shards which need a nerf!
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