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[jawdirk]

Ok, a friend and I were discussing SoW.  In my head cannon this is immortals spending ages reading dusty tomes and reserching new ways to hit elementals.

What if SoW gives +4 att/-1 HP, meaning a Immortal with 4 SoWs would die (or become so frail it keels over.) which mean you could use it agressively on your opponents creatures?

You would have something if it was +4/-2. It would also make fire shield more useful against them.

[eaglgenes101]

Ok, a friend and I were discussing SoW.  In my head cannon this is immortals spending ages reading dusty tomes and reserching new ways to hit elementals.

What if SoW gives +4 att/-1 HP, meaning a Immortal with 4 SoWs would die (or become so frail it keels over.) which mean you could use it agressively on your opponents creatures?

Spoiler for Hidden:

Anyway, back on topic. That's interesting, but it'd kill the seraph usage.

[choongmyoung]

*Ignore Reflectives*
I think people are missing that

1. *Immortals and Dragons*
Momentum can target non-immortals(2 cards), and thus momentum creatures can be CCed.
Even if SoW should target Immortals(2 cards), if once granted, SoW creatures cannot be CCed.

2. *Creature + Quint style*
Creature + Momentum + Quint << Can be CCed between Creature and Momentum, Momentum and Quint
Creature + Quint + SoW << Can be CCed between Creature and Quint, but not Quint and SoW.

[jawdirk]

2. *Creature + Quint style*
Creature + Momentum + Quint << Can be CCed between Creature and Momentum, Momentum and Quint
Creature + Quint + SoW << Can be CCed between Creature and Quint, but not Quint and SoW.

Mortal creature + Momentum + no Quint + enemy dim shield = ATK + 1 per turn
Mortal creature + SoW + no Quint + enemy dim shield = 0 per turn

[meowww]

*Ignore Reflectives*
I think people are missing that

1. *Immortals and Dragons*
Momentum can target non-immortals(2 cards), and thus momentum creatures can be CCed.
Even if SoW should target Immortals(2 cards), if once granted, SoW creatures cannot be CCed.

2. *Creature + Quint style*
Creature + Momentum + Quint << Can be CCed between Creature and Momentum, Momentum and Quint
Creature + Quint + SoW << Can be CCed between Creature and Quint, but not Quint and SoW.

Immortals Paid the *1.5 Cost, or 4 and another card slot, to get their "cannot be CCed."
Don't put that as if they get that from nothing.

They worked hard just to get this little more, and you say that as if they are greedy guys who earn what they don't deserve?

[choongmyoung]

*Ignore Reflectives*
I think people are missing that

1. *Immortals and Dragons*
Momentum can target non-immortals(2 cards), and thus momentum creatures can be CCed.
Even if SoW should target Immortals(2 cards), if once granted, SoW creatures cannot be CCed.

2. *Creature + Quint style*
Creature + Momentum + Quint << Can be CCed between Creature and Momentum, Momentum and Quint
Creature + Quint + SoW << Can be CCed between Creature and Quint, but not Quint and SoW.

Immortals Paid the *1.5 Cost, or 4 and another card slot, to get their "cannot be CCed."
Don't put that as if they get that from nothing.

They worked hard just to get this little more, and you say that as if they are greedy guys who earn what they don't deserve?

The fact that immortals cannot be buffed is as important as immortals cannot be CCed.

[meowww]

The fact that immortals cannot be buffed is as important as immortals cannot be CCed.

That is not a fact, nor important.
SoW itself meant to buff those pathetic Immortal, thus so far SoW is the ONLY reason you use Immortals in a proper deck.

[choongmyoung]

The fact that immortals cannot be buffed is as important as immortals cannot be CCed.

That is not a fact, nor important.
SoW itself meant to buff those pathetic Immortal, thus so far SoW is the ONLY reason you use Immortals in a proper deck.

1. I am talking about that before the SoW, and this is true.
2. If you could buff immortals, that would be a quite good strategy.
3. "2 : Target Antlion gains +10|+10. This card is balanced since Antlion is underused."

[meowww]

The fact that immortals cannot be buffed is as important as immortals cannot be CCed.

That is not a fact, nor important.
SoW itself meant to buff those pathetic Immortal, thus so far SoW is the ONLY reason you use Immortals in a proper deck.

1. I am talking about that before the SoW, and this is true.
2. If you could buff immortals, that would be a quite good strategy.
3. "2 : Target Antlion gains +10|+10. This card is balanced since Antlion is underused."

Hell yeah Slippery slope making a great argument.

Here are some two card combos:
Immortals + SoW = 8 Atk spell damage for 9 , Immortal
Forg + Adrenaline = 3*4 physical damage for 6 , 3 Def
You way of "balance" = 12 physical damage for 4 , 12 Def, Burrow / or 22 physical damage for 5 , 12 Def, Burrow

[OldTrees]

so far SoW is the ONLY reason you use Immortals in a proper deck.

3. "2 : Target Antlion gains +10|+10. This card is balanced since Antlion is underused."

Hell yeah Slippery slope making a great argument.

It was pointing out that perceived fallacy of your quote. OP cards are not justified if they only work on UP cards because it results in a forced combo. Furthermore OP cards that only work on UP card can still be OP.

[meowww]

It was pointing out that perceived fallacy of your quote. OP cards are not justified if they only work on UP cards because it results in a forced combo. Furthermore OP cards that only work on UP card can still be OP.

But they are not OP at the first place, yes they can be OP if they are not limited to place on some cards.
Just like Adrenaline, if Adrenaline work with dragons as if it works with frogs they will be uber-OP, but they are not OP because they don't work with Dragons.
Limited to immortal offset the power of the card itself.

BTW, Slippery slope is not a proper way to "point out" a fallacy.

[Cheesy111]

It was pointing out that perceived fallacy of your quote. OP cards are not justified if they only work on UP cards because it results in a forced combo. Furthermore OP cards that only work on UP card can still be OP.

But they are not OP at the first place, yes they can be OP if they are not limited to place on some cards.
Just like Adrenaline, if Adrenaline work with dragons as if it works with frogs they will be uber-OP, but they are not OP because they don't work with Dragons.
Limited to immortal offset the power of the card itself.

BTW, Slippery slope is not a proper way to "point out" a fallacy.

"slippery slope" is saying that if we do X, Y will happen.  In this case, slippery slope would be saying that if we don't nerf Shard of Wisdom, Antlion will get a +10/+10 buff for 2 .  That is not what choongmyung said.  Choongmyung pointed out that limiting a buff card to an UP card does not mean that the buff card is balanced, as evidenced by his Antlion example.  This is correct - a buff card that only buffs an UP card can be OP, UP or balanced.  A buff card that only buffs an UP card is also bad design as it is a forced combination.