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Nerf Shard of Freedom?

No - leave it alone.
63 (36%)
Yes - lower chance to trigger from 25% per shard to 20%.
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Yes - cap cumulative trigger chance at 90%.
31 (17.7%)
Yes - something else which I'll tell you about.
24 (13.7%)

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1117281#msg1117281
« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2013, 03:47:15 pm »
One thing that would be nice in my opinion are more AoE CC spells, since these bypass SoFre. Also, outside the arena regular PC usually helps a lot. (in arena I prefer packing SoSac and letting SoFre backfire).
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1122952#msg1122952
« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2014, 07:51:02 am »
I just noticed that this shard allows delayed creatures to attack. I think this should be removed.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1122953#msg1122953
« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2014, 07:51:53 am »
I just noticed that this shard allows delayed creatures to attack. I think this should be removed.
It doesn't, that's a display bug only.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126643#msg1126643
« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2014, 04:23:52 pm »
If a platinum arena deck has an air mark, you will see Damselfly, Shard of Freedom, and Wyrm without exception.  In fact, it was the millionth time I saw this deck that I decided to come here and see if Shard of Freedom made an appearance on this forum.

Suggested fixes:
-Change the way the math works.  .75^(Number of shards) = chance of not-triggering.  one shard 25%, two shards 44%, three shards 58%, four shards 68%
-Untargetability AND double damage AND shield evasion is a bit too good, don't you think?  How about untargetability and shield evasion only? Untargetability and double damage only? 100% untargetability only?  100% double damage only?
-DON'T allow shard of freedom to stack.  Shard of Patience doesn't give +4/+4 each turn if you have two.

Suggested new cards:
-Flying/Air creatures get +1/+0 each turn (<~~Synergizes nicely with Sky Blitz)
-Flying/Air creatures gain (2x Air quanta): Dive
-Flying/Air creatures gain +1/+0 (similar to Nightfall), and cannot be targeted.
-Flying/Air creatures gain +1/+0 (similar to nightfall), and evade shields.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126651#msg1126651
« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2014, 05:35:49 pm »
If a platinum arena deck has an air mark, you will see Damselfly, Shard of Freedom, and Wyrm without exception.  In fact, it was the millionth time I saw this deck that I decided to come here and see if Shard of Freedom made an appearance on this forum.

Suggested fixes:
-Change the way the math works.  .75^(Number of shards) = chance of not-triggering.  one shard 25%, two shards 44%, three shards 58%, four shards 68%
-Untargetability AND double damage AND shield evasion is a bit too good, don't you think?  How about untargetability and shield evasion only? Untargetability and double damage only? 100% untargetability only?  100% double damage only?
-DON'T allow shard of freedom to stack.  Shard of Patience doesn't give +4/+4 each turn if you have two.

Suggested new cards:
-Flying/Air creatures get +1/+0 each turn (<~~Synergizes nicely with Sky Blitz)
-Flying/Air creatures gain (2x Air quanta): Dive
-Flying/Air creatures gain +1/+0 (similar to Nightfall), and cannot be targeted.
-Flying/Air creatures gain +1/+0 (similar to nightfall), and evade shields.
Not stacking would make it borderline useless. As several people have mentioned, just make it multiplicative, that would solve half the issues. Any other nerf could be decided after that nerf.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126653#msg1126653
« Reply #89 on: February 18, 2014, 05:52:04 pm »
Until dim shield gets nerfed, this card doesn't deserve to be nerfed. So I'm gonna say what people in favor of dim shield have said to me: Stop complaining and use some permanent control. Noob. Plenty of ways to deal with decks that use Sofr.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126658#msg1126658
« Reply #90 on: February 18, 2014, 06:27:21 pm »
Until dim shield gets nerfed, this card doesn't deserve to be nerfed. So I'm gonna say what people in favor of dim shield have said to me: Stop complaining and use some permanent control. Noob. Plenty of ways to deal with decks that use Sofr.
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looooooooooooooooooool, they're 2 different cards...

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126661#msg1126661
« Reply #91 on: February 18, 2014, 06:32:55 pm »
looooooooooooooooooool, they're 2 different cards...


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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126662#msg1126662
« Reply #92 on: February 18, 2014, 06:40:54 pm »
I don't think I grasp the back-and-forth lol-ing and laughing-emoticon-smileys here, but SoFr decks are quite devastated by area-of-effects: Rain of Fire, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Plague.  None of these are PC which also itself is a good reaction/counter to SoFr-spam.  This is of course taking in to account the 'six per deck' limit with makes the argument quite different from discussing a double-draw AI which could have/draw/play up to TWELVE of them making the PC-angle nearly impossible to utilize.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126667#msg1126667
« Reply #93 on: February 18, 2014, 07:38:26 pm »
I don't think I grasp the back-and-forth lol-ing and laughing-emoticon-smileys here, but SoFr decks are quite devastated by area-of-effects: Rain of Fire, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Plague.

Until a Shard of Freedom or two hit the board.  Suddenly, half the field is unaffected by your area-of-effect spell.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1126668#msg1126668
« Reply #94 on: February 18, 2014, 07:42:05 pm »
I don't think I grasp the back-and-forth lol-ing and laughing-emoticon-smileys here, but SoFr decks are quite devastated by area-of-effects: Rain of Fire, Pandemonium, Thunderstorm, Plague.

Until a Shard of Freedom or two hit the board.  Suddenly, half the field is unaffected by your area-of-effect spell.

AoE is not evaded by SoFr.

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Re: [Official] Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1224794#msg1224794
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2016, 06:59:19 pm »
So I'm probably just parroting what other people have said, but this card simply does too much for too little cost. On my very first try to build a deck using it I came up with a partially upgraded 5 TTW rush deck that was highly resistant to stalling and cc. That should NOT happen.

I also feel that this card completely overshadows sky blitz.

I think changing the stacking to multiplicative would be a great start.

 

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