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Nerf Shard of Freedom?

No - leave it alone.
63 (36%)
Yes - lower chance to trigger from 25% per shard to 20%.
57 (32.6%)
Yes - cap cumulative trigger chance at 90%.
31 (17.7%)
Yes - something else which I'll tell you about.
24 (13.7%)

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1108976#msg1108976
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2013, 07:21:08 pm »
An elite wyrm with the double and shard effect can do 15. For one phase dragon I think its reasonable to say you could drop two wyrms. Two wyrms with dive, how is a single phase dragon stronger? Not even adding in chaos seed if your playing chaos wyrms.
Sure wisdom has more early potential, but freedom quickly adds up.

This card does to much to begin with, either the rate should go down or get rid of any effect.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1108999#msg1108999
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2013, 09:15:23 pm »
It is not the fault of the shard that the wyrms are that strong. And it isn't the shards fault either that chaos power is so useful with wyrms. We are talking about how OP the shard may be, not any other card.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109005#msg1109005
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2013, 09:36:19 pm »
It is not the fault of the shard that the wyrms are that strong.

Really true, instead of nerfing SoFree, think about that (for the upped one)  ;)

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109044#msg1109044
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2013, 12:42:55 am »
The shard makes the wyrms op, a chaos wyrm without momentum, and protection isn't op.

I can agree that without the wyrms leaving the dragon and flys only, it's equivalent to shards of wisdom phase dragon.

I have not tried or faced, a sof/sob deck, but I wonder how well it intertwines with serph and phoenix.

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109104#msg1109104
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2013, 07:06:42 am »
The shard makes the wyrms op, a chaos wyrm without momentum, and protection isn't op.

I can agree that without the wyrms leaving the dragon and flys only, it's equivalent to shards of wisdom phase dragon.

I have not tried or faced, a sof/sob deck, but I wonder how well it intertwines with serph and phoenix.

And pretty please don't say sof when talking about shard of freedom. it is sofr. sof could refer to shard of focus as well and tends to cunfuse people.
And for a sofr-seraph combo you would need a trio deck (fire-light-aether), so you will hardly encounter it in pvp games.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109109#msg1109109
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2013, 09:05:05 am »
I have not tried or faced, a sof/sob deck, but I wonder how well it intertwines with serph and phoenix.

They are pretty good rush decks, but it's hard to play 6 SoFree in those decks. Furthermore, creatures are targetable since they are  :fire. But Crema/Lava Destroyer, SN Speedbow, SoI, Deja Vu, Fractals/Balls and so on are also fast... SoFree take his best place in a Mono-Air (quick rush also, but no PC - think about Sundial -, and very vulnerable to RoF and Pande).
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 09:11:11 am by Youpla »

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109241#msg1109241
« Reply #78 on: November 13, 2013, 04:21:05 am »
If the issue is really Chaos Wyrms, which the argument implies when claiming the time it takes to wind up SoFr outweighs its later efficiency, then one could have evasion apply to buffs

Bonus: gives a reason to use Pegasus over Wyrm in a SoFr deck
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 06:14:30 pm by serprex »

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1109325#msg1109325
« Reply #79 on: November 13, 2013, 05:11:38 pm »
I've been trying the immolation style with sofr and sob. Works well with the seraphs, but I only have 3 sofr. Without the evasion the shard really isn't that powerful.

Actually I think thats a better idea.

The stronger/"bigger" the creature the less agile it is, so the less percentage of evasion it has.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2013, 05:14:29 pm by foofatron »

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1116187#msg1116187
« Reply #80 on: December 18, 2013, 09:14:23 pm »
I agree with serprex about making SoFree affect opponent's field too, just like Nightfall. That would be a nurf that wouldn't make this card weaker. :)
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1117240#msg1117240
« Reply #81 on: December 25, 2013, 06:01:30 am »
Not only does SoFre give a % increase in attack but it also gives a % chance to dodge shields and a % increase to evade targeting... IMO that makes it a but too much. Take away the 'dodge' and 'evade' and I'd be fine with it...

Making SoFre affect both sides of the field would remove Steal as an effective means of dealing with it and only leave Deflag and Pulvy... not the best of ideas IMO...

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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1117249#msg1117249
« Reply #82 on: December 25, 2013, 08:22:01 am »
Not only does SoFre give a % increase in attack but it also gives a % chance to dodge shields and a % increase to evade targeting... IMO that makes it a but too much. Take away the 'dodge' and 'evade' and I'd be fine with it...
So, since it makes "three things", you want to "remove two" to make it balanced? Tell me more about how this would make this card balanced instead of UP. At least in my country, "nerfing to the bottom of the well" is considered a bad thing.

Making SoFre affect both sides of the field would remove Steal as an effective means of dealing with it and only leave Deflag and Pulvy... not the best of ideas IMO...
It would remove stealing, but it would add several other flying creatures which would get effective against mono air, because their fog shield would be rendered useless. For example, mono air would have little chance against mono darkness eclipse+vampires (which would drain 9 live per turn) and gargoyles or obsidian dragons on top. Further, against a seraph cremation bravery rush it would get much more difficult as well, because seraphs as well as minor phoenixes will get the attack buffs as well.
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Re: Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47829.msg1117264#msg1117264
« Reply #83 on: December 25, 2013, 12:11:06 pm »
The only thing I have a problem with is the evasion part.
It creates sort of an immaterial rush.

I like footafron's idea of lowering the dodgechance depending on it's hp.
However, damsels are not a problem for their low damage, and dragons are not a problem because of their high cost;
and wyrms don't have high hp...
also, note that unupped dragons will have a better dodge% than upped this way.

... How about leaving a spell in hand if it's dodged? you'll have to re-pay the quanta cost in order to use it again.
It may be a bit useless vs all those 1 :rainbow spells, though...
be quick- time is quanta.

 

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