[Official] Shard of Freedom | Shard of Freedom

[Laxadarap]

Normally I do not ask for a nerf based on how PvE uses it but I almost made an exception in this case.
However I have seen a few decks in PvP2 that sickened me. ( Not just Mono air. )
So with both of those reasons is a nerf justified? maybe...

However unupped and upped has the same cost as momentum just an effect that is much much much better. I see no reason why this shard should not be nerfed .

Correction: It has 1/4th the effect of momentum, half if you count evasion. So two of these would = one momentum.

But for the entire field, which I feel would usually have at least 2 creatures on it by the time you get out 2 sofree. 

[Thereallongdono]

Normally I do not ask for a nerf based on how PvE uses it but I almost made an exception in this case.
However I have seen a few decks in PvP2 that sickened me. ( Not just Mono air. )
So with both of those reasons is a nerf justified? maybe...

However unupped and upped has the same cost as momentum just an effect that is much much much better. I see no reason why this shard should not be nerfed .

Correction: It has 1/4th the effect of momentum, half if you count evasion. So two of these would = one momentum.

Momentum only gives it to one creature.

[dragonsdemesne]

I'm not convinced shard of freedom needs a nerf, but another possibility would be to make the +25% multiplicative instead of additive.  This would mean that no matter how many shards you had in play, you wouldn't be able to achieve that 100% evasion, though you could come very close.  The math would look like this: (whereas currently now it is 1 shard = 25, 2 shards = 50, 3 shards = 75, 4+ shards = 100)  This would also mean that copies of shard of freedom drawn beyond 4 are not completely dead cards.

1 shard: 25
2 shards: 43.75
3 shards: 57.8125
4 shards:  68.359375
5 shards:  76.26953125
6 shards:  82.20214844
7 shards:  86.65161133
8 shards: 89.9887085
9 shards: 92.49153137
10 shards: 94.36864853
11 shards: 95.7764864
12 shards: 96.8323648
(you could get more than 12 in arena via steals, but it is both unlikely and would be fairly insignificant)
(formula is 1 - [0.75^x] percent evasion, where x is the number of shards of freedom)

[Zergva]

I'm not convinced shard of freedom needs a nerf, but another possibility would be to make the +25% multiplicative instead of additive.  This would mean that no matter how many shards you had in play, you wouldn't be able to achieve that 100% evasion, though you could come very close.  The math would look like this: (whereas currently now it is 1 shard = 25, 2 shards = 50, 3 shards = 75, 4+ shards = 100)  This would also mean that copies of shard of freedom drawn beyond 4 are not completely dead cards.

1 shard: 25
2 shards: 43.75
3 shards: 57.8125
4 shards:  68.359375
5 shards:  76.26953125
6 shards:  82.20214844
7 shards:  86.65161133
8 shards: 89.9887085
9 shards: 92.49153137
10 shards: 94.36864853
11 shards: 95.7764864
12 shards: 96.8323648
(you could get more than 12 in arena via steals, but it is both unlikely and would be fairly insignificant)
(formula is 1 - [0.75^x] percent evasion, where x is the number of shards of freedom)

Please before posting read the previous suggestions. It's reduces the redundancy of the topic

[xsindomanx]

I'm not convinced shard of freedom needs a nerf, but another possibility would be to make the +25% multiplicative instead of additive.  This would mean that no matter how many shards you had in play, you wouldn't be able to achieve that 100% evasion, though you could come very close.  The math would look like this: (whereas currently now it is 1 shard = 25, 2 shards = 50, 3 shards = 75, 4+ shards = 100)  This would also mean that copies of shard of freedom drawn beyond 4 are not completely dead cards.

1 shard: 25
2 shards: 43.75
3 shards: 57.8125
4 shards:  68.359375
5 shards:  76.26953125
6 shards:  82.20214844
7 shards:  86.65161133
8 shards: 89.9887085
9 shards: 92.49153137
10 shards: 94.36864853
11 shards: 95.7764864
12 shards: 96.8323648
(you could get more than 12 in arena via steals, but it is both unlikely and would be fairly insignificant)
(formula is 1 - [0.75^x] percent evasion, where x is the number of shards of freedom)

Think this would temporarily balance the card really well, though I'm not completely convinced as to it not needing a cost increase :p

[ColorlessGreen]

FWIW, the additive->multiplicative nerf is huge as compared to every other option that's been presented so far, and I think it'd take the card from dominant-in-PvE-and-(apparently)-balanced-in-PvP to underpowered-in-PvE-and-near-useless-in-PvP.

However, as an intellectual exercise, here's what a multiplicative SoFr table with a base rate of 30% would look like:

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1   30.00%
2   51.00%
3   65.70%
4   75.99%
5   83.19%
6   88.24%
7   91.76%
8   94.24%
9   95.96%
10  97.18%
11  98.02%
12  98.62%

...which is much less of a crippling nerf. Just in case we randomly do decide to go down that particular path.

[Vangelios]

 I just think its price is low, it could be 3

[PoLdeR]

i think it would be best if the odds are calculated differently:

instead of 4 shards giving 100% chance to hit, make it 4 times 25% chance to hit and increase attack with 1 increase at most, so a (3/4)^4 = 25% chance it doesnt get the bonus

[xsindomanx]

If the SoF is changed to a 'multiplicative' model, I don't know about the upped version, but the unupped version would be severely underpowered.

Possibly the unupped SoF cost could be also lowered to 1 and instead its 'base rate' be a little bit (maybe 5 - 8%) lower than the upped version's.

i think it would be best if the odds are calculated differently:

instead of 4 shards giving 100% chance to hit, make it 4 times 25% chance to hit and increase attack with 1 increase at most, so a (3/4)^4 = 25% chance it doesnt get the bonus

Similar things have been said already. Please read above :p

[blackmagicds]

I dont have a problem with this card in PvP but in PvE it is so over powered with the double draw. because out side of pulverizer(which is expensive to use because you need a duel realm deck) theres no way to destroy all of them. Im not apposed to them being able to bypass the shields that adds a nice twist to try and defend and its not much different then a psions ability. But i think to balance this card you should remove the part were the monster cant be targeted. or atleast lower the chances of not being targeted from 25% per card to like 10%.

[Jyiber]

I am annoyed with the evasion factor, maybe reduce it to 15% chance per-shard?

[serprex]

Diminishing returns are a good idea since they would affect PvE (where it's more OP) more than PvP, where it would still remain a good card at the very least

Also: since any deck built with this will make heavy use, it implies that another avenue of balancing could be in making this a global effect (as in, also buffs enemy airborne creatures) like Nightfall