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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523195#msg523195
« Reply #300 on: July 19, 2012, 02:25:11 am »
One possibility, which would require a bit of coding and a whole new mechanic but would be worth it since the idea could be applied elsewhere:

Make it so Shard of Focus costs something like "3 :underworld", but by this I don't mean the same as "3 :rainbow", instead I mean that to play the card, you must be able to pay the cost entirely from one type of quanta.

  • For example, if you have 3 :fire and no other quanta, you may play SoFo
  • On the other hand, if you have exactly 2 of every quanta, you can NOT play SoFo
  • If you have 3  :fire and 3 :water, you may play SoFo and its cost will either be 3 :fire or 3 :water, determined randomly.
  • The number 3 is arbitrary, could be 4, could be whatever, not sure what the optimum number would be.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523197#msg523197
« Reply #301 on: July 19, 2012, 02:31:07 am »
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Your suggestion is an old one and a good one. It was one of the more popular nerfs for SoG before the nerf to being mark based.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523203#msg523203
« Reply #302 on: July 19, 2012, 02:56:58 am »
Let's add that suggestion to the poll then.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523204#msg523204
« Reply #303 on: July 19, 2012, 03:00:57 am »
SoW is a badly designed shard imo, but it is at least more flexible than a :gravity activated SoFo. Even without dropping a BH in the hand, SoFo is still OP as it is now.

Ehh, i'd be happy to know how an enchant castable only on immortal creatures (it needs to be a creature, but also immortal, seriously you have to build your Whole deck around this) can be more flexible than one of the two creatures you can cast with any quanta, at least barely useful in any deck.
Heck, we could probably make decks based on casting sofo and buffing it rightaway with  :aether :earth :entropy :gravity :life :light enchants if it didn't have accretion. (yes it would probably suck, but at least it would do anything, unlike target-less SoW  :( )

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523211#msg523211
« Reply #304 on: July 19, 2012, 03:13:30 am »
SoW can be used either as an extra boost to your own offense, or as a way of reversing damage of your opponent's creatures. Thing is thou, either way, you either need immortal creatures and quint, or quint and a mirror shield (or quint givers like Anubis) to make them useful.

I wrote the article for SoW on the wiki here :P

A gravity activated SoFo would only be useful in a deck using gravity quanta.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523212#msg523212
« Reply #305 on: July 19, 2012, 03:19:51 am »
(yes it would probably suck, but at least it would do anything, unlike target-less SoW  :( )
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523455#msg523455
« Reply #306 on: July 20, 2012, 02:13:37 am »
My impartial opinion leads me to steer toward the idea user DarkBaron12390 came up with for Shard of Focus. It is a beautiful mechanic and totally implementable without an overhaul on the card's effect.

Everything is the same, only when Hp > 45, automatically cast BH on both players. Only on opponent if mark is gravity.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523457#msg523457
« Reply #307 on: July 20, 2012, 02:16:52 am »
My impartial opinion leads me to steer toward the idea user DarkBaron12390 came up with for Shard of Focus. It is a beautiful mechanic and totally implementable without an overhaul on the card's effect.

Everything is the same, only when Hp > 45, automatically cast BH on both players. Only on opponent if mark is gravity.

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Then gravity mark decks would be OP. WHEN IS THE TRIAL COMMING!?! It seems too hard to balance  >:(
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523491#msg523491
« Reply #308 on: July 20, 2012, 05:07:23 am »
How about we reduce the number of shots of PC it brings, and modify it to compensate?
As in 5/4: 0|5. Accretion: Destroy target permanent, gain +0|+10, and generate black hole. (One use only.)
Slightly modified. This nerf puts it in range of monos, and it sticks on fewer uses to compensate.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523553#msg523553
« Reply #309 on: July 20, 2012, 11:16:59 am »
Definitely the most OP card in any deck. It totally shuts down traditional quantum decks when it comes out early, and can be combined with a variety of other cards to absolutely dominate the game. Ever try gravity force + SoF? Pretty much a game-ender right there... you can boost the SoF by 15 a turn, keeping it alive for quite some time, even if the opponent doesn't have permanents. It's so much stronger and more versatile than deflag or explosion it's almost ridiculous. How about a fire nymph or some rage potions? Basically it's an all-powerful creature that can heal 15/turn, and is really only vulnerable to freeze or 1st out creature zaps. Can anybody consistently win in PVP2 without this card? I'm not so sure.... It's a cool idea, but wayyy too juiced, and how much better is it than the other shards? Some of the shards are completely useless in comparison. IMO SoF is broken, and seems to have been introduced without much testing. It's great if you have it, and a real pain if you don't.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523589#msg523589
« Reply #310 on: July 20, 2012, 01:24:14 pm »
From a new player...this card is stopping me from progressing in the arena. Once I see SoFo drop it is almost a good idea to auto-quit lol. Don't think I would try PVP2 for quite some time.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg523595#msg523595
« Reply #311 on: July 20, 2012, 01:37:57 pm »
This card is ruining the game for me.

a) easily farmable FGs with this card are now auto-quit against some decks (Instosis, for example) - and it's hardly as if Instosis had a 100% win streak against everything
b) every Silver, Gold or Plat arena deck NOT running this card is only because it's owner hasn't been fortunate enough to farm one yet.
c) 6 of these in a deck = win.  It's that broken.

If it drops, you have ONE turn to find creature removal.  Very difficult early in game.  After that, 16HP means it's all but invulnerable to most kill methods.

Meanwhile, please discard 3 permanents in play of your opponent's choice.  Oh, and don't play any supernovas until after the BH has gone.  Just wait three turns instead.  Yeah, good plan.

I hate this card so much, I might stop playing until it's gone.

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