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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg519245#msg519245
« Reply #252 on: July 08, 2012, 05:45:43 pm »
:gravity shard without having  :gravity quantas requirement.....i'd already submitted my vote
Shards are other cards, they must not require specific quanta to use. (Otherwise the generic casting cost is inappropriate.)
Shards should get a bonus from their element. Shard of Focus + Gravity Mark = Earthquake + Blackhole. Shard of Focus + no  :gravity = Earthquake + no Blackhole
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg519323#msg519323
« Reply #253 on: July 08, 2012, 09:32:41 pm »
:gravity shard without having  :gravity quantas requirement.....i'd already submitted my vote
Shards are other cards, they must not require specific quanta to use. (Otherwise the generic casting cost is inappropriate.)
Shards should get a bonus from their element. Shard of Focus + Gravity Mark = Earthquake + Blackhole. Shard of Focus + no  :gravity = Earthquake + no Blackhole
If it was restricted to pillars-only it wouldn't be the complete powerhouse that it is.  It might still be OP, but it might not be catastrophically so.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg519350#msg519350
« Reply #254 on: July 08, 2012, 11:53:57 pm »
:gravity shard without having  :gravity quantas requirement.....i'd already submitted my vote
Shards are other cards, they must not require specific quanta to use. (Otherwise the generic casting cost is inappropriate.)
Shards should get a bonus from their element. Shard of Focus + Gravity Mark = Earthquake + Blackhole. Shard of Focus + no  :gravity = Earthquake + no Blackhole
If it was restricted to pillars-only it wouldn't be the complete powerhouse that it is.  It might still be OP, but it might not be catastrophically so.

That IMO would be slightly UP, let alone OP or even moderately powerful.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg519361#msg519361
« Reply #255 on: July 09, 2012, 12:46:56 am »
:gravity shard without having  :gravity quantas requirement.....i'd already submitted my vote
Shards are other cards, they must not require specific quanta to use. (Otherwise the generic casting cost is inappropriate.)
Shards should get a bonus from their element. Shard of Focus + Gravity Mark = Earthquake + Blackhole. Shard of Focus + no  :gravity = Earthquake + no Blackhole
If it was restricted to pillars-only it wouldn't be the complete powerhouse that it is.  It might still be OP, but it might not be catastrophically so.

That IMO would be slightly UP, let alone OP or even moderately powerful.
The problem is the incredibly low cost of SoFo.  7 other costs much less than 3 earth to produce.  That being said, upon further reconsideration it would probably be slightly UP due to the possibility of a first-turn kill and summoning sickness.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg519434#msg519434
« Reply #256 on: July 09, 2012, 05:31:31 am »
oh well, but until the shards are balanced (nerf the overpowered) they will have no place in the tourney or any PvP events. Maybe trials have used that but that's for closed fight in an element
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520368#msg520368
« Reply #257 on: July 11, 2012, 01:30:51 am »
oh well, but until the shards are balanced (nerf the overpowered) they will have no place in the tourney or any PvP events. Maybe trials have used that but that's for closed fight in an element

I don't understand this logic.  Why ban all of the shards instead just the incredibly overpowered ones?

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520448#msg520448
« Reply #258 on: July 11, 2012, 05:20:08 am »
oh well, but until the shards are balanced (nerf the overpowered) they will have no place in the tourney or any PvP events. Maybe trials have used that but that's for closed fight in an element

I don't understand this logic.  Why ban all of the shards instead just the incredibly overpowered ones?

No, you got me wrong, what i mean is that many still see shards as OP and i've not seen a tourney that shards are allowed yet. I was implying that since shards are quite new, until they are tested like all other cards, i doubt shards would be introduced in PvP tourney or so. Personally, i love shards (at least for farming).
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520474#msg520474
« Reply #259 on: July 11, 2012, 06:27:18 am »
oh well, but until the shards are balanced (nerf the overpowered) they will have no place in the tourney or any PvP events. Maybe trials have used that but that's for closed fight in an element

I don't understand this logic.  Why ban all of the shards instead just the incredibly overpowered ones?

No, you got me wrong, what i mean is that many still see shards as OP and i've not seen a tourney that shards are allowed yet. I was implying that since shards are quite new, until they are tested like all other cards, i doubt shards would be introduced in PvP tourney or so. Personally, i love shards (at least for farming).

Think your forgetting about league, arguably the biggest pvp event(s) on the forum (war is probably bigger, but this is a close second). 
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520486#msg520486
« Reply #260 on: July 11, 2012, 07:02:41 am »
oh well, but until the shards are balanced (nerf the overpowered) they will have no place in the tourney or any PvP events. Maybe trials have used that but that's for closed fight in an element

I don't understand this logic.  Why ban all of the shards instead just the incredibly overpowered ones?

No, you got me wrong, what i mean is that many still see shards as OP and i've not seen a tourney that shards are allowed yet. I was implying that since shards are quite new, until they are tested like all other cards, i doubt shards would be introduced in PvP tourney or so. Personally, i love shards (at least for farming).

I guess there's still something I'm not getting.  Shards have been pretty well defined in the new metagame.  Some are older, some much older than newer cards like Seraph and Psion and yet those are both allowed in tourneys. 

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520522#msg520522
« Reply #261 on: July 11, 2012, 10:41:47 am »
Lasting tourney bans have been evaluated after whether or not they ruin the theme of a tourney or not. That's always a risk with Other cards and some other ones that can avoid the theme and still be viable, such as Animate Weapon, Discord, Bolts, Poison, Dims and Miracle stalls. If there's a tourney theme that would survive having Shards, they'd be allowed, but frankly anything revolving Shards sounds incredibly boring as a tourney. We'd rather have strong elemental themes, as that's where the identity of the game and creative possibilities lie.

Noting, new rares are always banned for a month or two because we have to give people a chance to get them first.

And, of course, the Leagues' metagame is the only completely unrestricted one. Not something you see anywhere else, for good reason. It's a lot more common that shards are banned whenever someone speaks of "the meta" thanks to PvP Events, Tourneys and Wars. The bigger a game gets, the more restrictions do you need to create a challenging or creatively demanding and varying metagame.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg520614#msg520614
« Reply #262 on: July 11, 2012, 02:56:30 pm »
Lasting tourney bans have been evaluated after whether or not they ruin the theme of a tourney or not. That's always a risk with Other cards and some other ones that can avoid the theme and still be viable, such as Animate Weapon, Discord, Bolts, Poison, Dims and Miracle stalls. If there's a tourney theme that would survive having Shards, they'd be allowed, but frankly anything revolving Shards sounds incredibly boring as a tourney. We'd rather have strong elemental themes, as that's where the identity of the game and creative possibilities lie.

Noting, new rares are always banned for a month or two because we have to give people a chance to get them first.

And, of course, the Leagues' metagame is the only completely unrestricted one. Not something you see anywhere else, for good reason. It's a lot more common that shards are banned whenever someone speaks of "the meta" thanks to PvP Events, Tourneys and Wars. The bigger a game gets, the more restrictions do you need to create a challenging or creatively demanding and varying metagame.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38644.msg521645#msg521645
« Reply #263 on: July 13, 2012, 09:02:34 pm »
2 destroyed perms would be enough in my opinion

 

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