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What, if anything, should be done to Reverse Time?

Nothing - it's fine just the way it is.
103 (54.2%)
It should reverse changes done to creatures (suggested in topic)
9 (4.7%)
It should return creatures to the player's hand, not deck.
53 (27.9%)
It should have it's cost increased significantly - including on Eternity.
21 (11.1%)
It should be removed from the game entirely.
1 (0.5%)
Other - specify in reply
3 (1.6%)

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523056#msg523056
« Reply #108 on: July 18, 2012, 12:56:29 pm »
I always think, and I read your post. Hope you start doing it too. You don't mention it's about any other version. Maybe the amount of posts after yours that call you out is a hint?
Don't tell people what to do if you don't know what's going on. It's pretty rude.

didn't RT put the creature at the top of the oponents deck?
Yes, I was referring to the status of the card once it's in your hand.
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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523078#msg523078
« Reply #109 on: July 18, 2012, 03:48:28 pm »
I always think, and I read your post. Hope you start doing it too. You don't mention it's about any other version. Maybe the amount of posts after yours that call you out is a hint?
Don't tell people what to do if you don't know what's going on. It's pretty rude.

I think it's pretty clear that I was talking about the nerf, since it doesn't apply to the original. Like seriously, Honestly, if you actually read and comprehend, like you say you do, then this wouldn't be happening.
Also, Jenkar didn't make sense, and Cheesy just reclarified.
P.S. I do play the game, and always can look it up. I'm not mentally challenged you know.

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523084#msg523084
« Reply #110 on: July 18, 2012, 04:18:22 pm »
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I always think, and I read your post. Hope you start doing it too. You don't mention it's about any other version. Maybe the amount of posts after yours that call you out is a hint?
Don't tell people what to do if you don't know what's going on. It's pretty rude.

I think it's pretty clear that I was talking about the nerf, since it doesn't apply to the original. Like seriously, Honestly, if you actually read and comprehend, like you say you do, then this wouldn't be happening.
Also, Jenkar didn't make sense, and Cheesy just reclarified.
P.S. I do play the game, and always can look it up. I'm not mentally challenged you know.

I did not just reclarify.  My post was meant to point out the large flaws in what you said and also the ridiculous nature of your tangent.  Jenkar noted that much of your first paragraph seems to attempt to be incomprehensible - 'anti-deckout' means what exactly when a deck with a PA'd Eternity and Rewinds can be decked out?  'The eternity has an ability'  is not an argument or even relevant without further arguments or discussion and momentum -is- a buff.  A new player reading your post would be more confused than enlightened. 

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523085#msg523085
« Reply #111 on: July 18, 2012, 04:24:23 pm »
. I'm not mentally challenged you know.

Spoiler for Since we're on memes...:

Seriously, no need for the argument.

(I also find you're making less sense than them, and as such that the point higs/jenkar are making makes more sense ATM but hey..)

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523086#msg523086
« Reply #112 on: July 18, 2012, 04:25:12 pm »
I always think, and I read your post. Hope you start doing it too. You don't mention it's about any other version. Maybe the amount of posts after yours that call you out is a hint?
Don't tell people what to do if you don't know what's going on. It's pretty rude.

I think it's pretty clear that I was talking about the nerf
Nope. It was as clear as marshwater in which someone just poured tons of dirt.
Also, Jenkar didn't make sense
Also, i was saying that what you said had the syntax of this sentence put under a 1.
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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523088#msg523088
« Reply #113 on: July 18, 2012, 04:31:24 pm »
i don't think, the Reverse Time (or how I see, the Eternity) needs nerf, but I find a great idea for the rewinded Ash becomes Phoenix again :D That's the creative way to think about...

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523091#msg523091
« Reply #114 on: July 18, 2012, 04:35:55 pm »
i don't think, the Reverse Time (or how I see, the Eternity) needs nerf, but I find a great idea for the rewinded Ash becomes Phoenix again :D That's the creative way to think about...

Hrmm, sounds like a buff to me. Phoenix are mostly used with cremations. I add in a RT  and use it in a phoenix I cremated and I save myself one fire quanta.

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523097#msg523097
« Reply #115 on: July 18, 2012, 04:53:23 pm »
Er, yeah, death threats, making assumptions, and insulting an admin are not ways to endear us to your posts. I had no idea what you were talking about and I read your entire post. I'm 100% positive Higs is too.
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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523101#msg523101
« Reply #116 on: July 18, 2012, 05:43:04 pm »
Why are there so many personal insults on both sides? They do nothing to support one's argument; conversely, they detract from it.

To return to the Thread Topic, I do not think Reverse Time / Rewind is in need of either a nerf or a change in dynamics. Against a normal rush, it's a little weaker than comparable hard CC; in exchange, it becomes stronger against buffs and counters some combos.

Eternity is another matter. When RT becomes spammable, the weakness declines and and the strengths increase. However, it pays for that - literally, with the highest non-nymph ability cost in the game. It's damage is also weak when compared to the other spammable CC weapon, Eagle's Eye. I don't think it needs to be changed.

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523104#msg523104
« Reply #117 on: July 18, 2012, 05:56:17 pm »
i don't think, the Reverse Time (or how I see, the Eternity) needs nerf, but I find a great idea for the rewinded Ash becomes Phoenix again :D That's the creative way to think about...

Hrmm, sounds like a buff to me. Phoenix are mostly used with cremations. I add in a RT  and use it in a phoenix I cremated and I save myself one fire quanta.

Rewind probably wouldn't be worth any major deckspace in an immorush for a save of one quanta and 7 damage.  This would probably be a small but thematic nerf, my only issue with it is that phoenix is already nigh-impossible to kill and RT is 'rewarded' for being nonlethal CC against phoenix.

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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523106#msg523106
« Reply #118 on: July 18, 2012, 06:07:44 pm »
Communication is a 2 person dance. You gave insufficient signals that you were talking about a nerf suggestion. Furthermore, even when I knew you were talking about a nerf suggestion, I was still confused. Why would one Buff then damage then Rewind rather than just damage a creature? I still don't think I fully understand what you meant to say. Considering I have carefully studied your posts, I think you might want to work harder to communicate in the future.

If I failed to understand something while reading it, do you think Higurashi would have understood if she had read it? If Higurashi would not have understood by reading it then on what are you basing the assumption that she didn't read it? From previous experience with Higurashi, I would expect that she did read every word of your post.

Finally I was disappointed in the level of discourse both of you used.
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Re: Reverse Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39465.msg523115#msg523115
« Reply #119 on: July 18, 2012, 06:54:24 pm »
You don't know enough history to have a right to be disappointed.

Regardless, I've removed comments that break forum rules, and offenders have been dealt with. That's the end of this topic. Any further comments on it will be deleted. Back to the thread topic at hand.
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