[Official] Reflective Shield | Mirror Shield

[OldTrees]

When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

Lolzy 

No one uses bolt stalls anymore due to the quanta limit.

Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?

Only Zanz is. And I'm pretty sure he has other things on his mind right now than 'berfing' a card. Still makes me laugh

I can point to over twenty members of the Card Ideas and Art subforum that could easily design such berfs.

[Annele]

When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

Lolzy 

No one uses bolt stalls anymore due to the quanta limit.

Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?

Only Zanz is. And I'm pretty sure he has other things on his mind right now than 'berfing' a card. Still makes me laugh

I can point to over twenty members of the Card Ideas and Art subforum that could easily design such berfs.

Again, they probably have other things on their mind far more important.

[bogtro]

The fall of boltstalls had little to nothing to do with reflective shield. The quanta cap destroys everything but firestall, which is still quite powerful in a restricted environment. The fall of boltstalls was more likely due to greater awareness and thus greater number of soft counters. Firestall is now rarely seen in leagues and such because sosac decks perform the same function in a better way.

[OldTrees]

When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

Lolzy 

No one uses bolt stalls anymore due to the quanta limit.

Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?

Only Zanz is. And I'm pretty sure he has other things on his mind right now than 'berfing' a card. Still makes me laugh

I can point to over twenty members of the Card Ideas and Art subforum that could easily design such berfs.

Again, they probably have other things on their mind far more important.

You are confusing:
1) You do not think you are capable of giving constructive ideas about changing the card
2) You are posting trying to discourage comments towards designing such a berf
What are you doing?

PS: You are right the people that can individually design a berf have better things to do. Like promote thought and development of other members in the related subforums (In Development, Game Suggestions and Feedback and Card Ideas and Art).

The fall of boltstalls had little to nothing to do with reflective shield. The quanta cap destroys everything but firestall, which is still quite powerful in a restricted environment. The fall of boltstalls was more likely due to greater awareness and thus greater number of soft counters. Firestall is now rarely seen in leagues and such because sosac decks perform the same function in a better way.

Are you talking about the recent fall of Firestall or the ancient fall of Bolt OTK?

[rosutosefi]

It does not need a nerf. Removing it will make SoW more overpowered. So what it needs is a major rework.

[freemod1espilon]

It does not need a nerf. Removing it will make SoW more overpowered. So what it needs is a major rework.

actually removing this card would make a berf I think due to the ability to make stronger creatures on your enemies side and put up a reflective shield or as an indirect nerf make protect artifact make the shield reflect the spells and such

[Sinolai]

This is probalby the least used shield. How exactly are you gonna nerf it? In votes it says minor moderate and major nerf but what are these? Cost increase, removing immortality, removing reflection (which makes it completely useless ) or taking away the damagereduction of the upped version?

[Annele]

When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

Lolzy 

No one uses bolt stalls anymore due to the quanta limit.

Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?

Only Zanz is. And I'm pretty sure he has other things on his mind right now than 'berfing' a card. Still makes me laugh

I can point to over twenty members of the Card Ideas and Art subforum that could easily design such berfs.

Again, they probably have other things on their mind far more important.

You are confusing:
1) You do not think you are capable of giving constructive ideas about changing the card
2) You are posting trying to discourage comments towards designing such a berf
What are you doing?

PS: You are right the people that can individually design a berf have better things to do. Like promote thought and development of other members in the related subforums (In Development, Game Suggestions and Feedback and Card Ideas and Art).

I am confusing myself. Sorry.

[rosutosefi]

It does not need a nerf. Removing it will make SoW more overpowered. So what it needs is a major rework.

actually removing this card would make a berf I think due to the ability to make stronger creatures on your enemies side and put up a reflective shield or as an indirect nerf make protect artifact make the shield reflect the spells and such

I do not understand how this is a berf. Please give your definition of berf. Removing a card is a berf ؟

Anyway, you're removing a deck idea while removing ways to counter spells. I should say that SoW itself is slightly overpowered, and I don't think that combo makes reflective shield overpowered. Combining the shield and Protect Artifact does not solve the problem stated by the OP.

[esran]

i think that reflective shields ability to remove bolt stall decks is a good thing. why cant bolt stall decks just add creatures? a deck that only revolves around bolts deserves to be counterable. frankly reflective shield is pretty weak.
berf idea:increase unupped cost by 1. give it one damage resistance. remove untargetable. add a bonewall style PC resist where unupped takes 2 PCs to remove and upped takes 3. or you could give it more counters like 4/8 and have resisting spell damage also remove a counter.
this needs more balancing but i think if someone helped me balance it like that it would make reflective shield a better card.

[OldTrees]

i think that reflective shields ability to remove bolt stall decks is a good thing. why cant bolt stall decks just add creatures? a deck that only revolves around bolts deserves to be counterable. frankly reflective shield is pretty weak.
berf idea:increase unupped cost by 1. give it one damage resistance. remove untargetable. add a bonewall style PC resist where unupped takes 2 PCs to remove and upped takes 3. or you could give it more counters like 4/8 and have resisting spell damage also remove a counter.
this needs more balancing but i think if someone helped me balance it like that it would make reflective shield a better card.

"Why can't a bolt stall add creatures?"
This is the same type of question as "Why can't a rush add control?". If the goal is to expand the metagame then this question is irrelevant.

"a deck that only revolves around bolts deserves to be counterable."
Yes, but decks can be countered without being hard countered to extinction. (sidenote: I can think of at least 3 existing non reflective counters to bolt otk. Can you name them?)

I like your berf idea.

[esran]

can my berf idea be added to the poll please?