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Reflective shield

Leave as is
99 (90%)
Minor nerf
4 (3.6%)
Moderate nerf
2 (1.8%)
Major nerf
0 (0%)
Remove Entirely
5 (4.5%)

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506554#msg506554
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 03:55:01 pm »
When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506686#msg506686
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 11:07:49 pm »
For bolt decks, stick in a nova and a reflective shield and bounce the bolts on your own shield.
For UG decks, stick in some dragons.
For SoW decks, hold back SoW if you think the opponent has reflective shields.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506768#msg506768
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 02:13:32 am »
This belongs to the humor section, right? It's pretty much like the "nerf kitty" thread.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506770#msg506770
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2012, 02:23:35 am »
I think the current standings of the poll show just how ridiculous and pointless this thread is.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507073#msg507073
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 03:29:20 am »
More seriously: This card acts as a hard counter to a very small portion of decks. This makes it an extremely weak card due to situationality. It is similar to the old purify, which did nothing but remove poison and provide minimal healing. Other than the situationality, it is actually relatively balanced. Some sort of change is in order, probably a buff-berf.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507103#msg507103
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 05:29:03 am »
More seriously: This card acts as a hard counter to a very small portion of decks. This makes it an extremely weak card due to situationality. It is similar to the old purify, which did nothing but remove poison and provide minimal healing. Other than the situationality, it is actually relatively balanced. Some sort of change is in order, probably a buff-berf.
reflective shield + something else to handle physical damage = complete lockdown
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507111#msg507111
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 05:50:53 am »
Nice to hear that I can't deal 5 damage to the other person.

Bolts? Please, please, PLEASE tell me how often fire bolts are used over creatures.
A duo-deck with two bolts? Have fun getting outrushed.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507122#msg507122
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2012, 06:39:12 am »
This is not a humor thread.

The positions in this thread:
1) This card is fair - weak against not bolt decks and unfair to bolt decks -> Berf
2) This card is unfair to bolt decks -> Berf
3) This card does not need a nerf -> No Berf?
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507155#msg507155
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2012, 08:09:33 am »
When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507218#msg507218
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2012, 01:24:06 pm »
More seriously: This card acts as a hard counter to a very small portion of decks. This makes it an extremely weak card due to situationality. It is similar to the old purify, which did nothing but remove poison and provide minimal healing. Other than the situationality, it is actually relatively balanced. Some sort of change is in order, probably a buff-berf.
reflective shield + something else to handle physical damage = complete lockdown
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507306#msg507306
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2012, 07:09:50 pm »
When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

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Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg507364#msg507364
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2012, 10:31:06 pm »
When a balanced card is a problem, a berf is in order.

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No one uses bolt stalls anymore due to the quanta limit.
Bolt stalls were removed long before the quanta limit. (Fire Stall was assisted by Farenheit) To be more precise, they were removed as a consequence of Reflective Shield's impact on the metagame and insufficient synergy with bolt decks.

I do not claim that a berf to Reflective Shield would be sufficient to add the bolt stall genre back into the metagame. However I do claim that it is likely required.

The question to consider is:
Are you smart/clever enough to design a berf for Reflective Shield that improves the metagame?

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