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Reflective shield

Leave as is
99 (90%)
Minor nerf
4 (3.6%)
Moderate nerf
2 (1.8%)
Major nerf
0 (0%)
Remove Entirely
5 (4.5%)

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515469#msg515469
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2012, 10:45:04 pm »
And I thought I made ridiculous nerf threads.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515493#msg515493
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2012, 11:24:02 pm »
And I thought I made ridiculous nerf threads.
Nah, you just did the same.

On topic:
I like that berf idea. It gives the bolt a way around the shield, and at the same time, reduce the "self-bolting" use of the shield as a way to go around reflectives. Self bolting is a ridiculous abuse of the mechanics IMO. It makes the shield counter itself.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515522#msg515522
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2012, 12:50:47 am »
should i make a new thread with my berf idea and a poll because its ridiculous to talk about what IMO is a buff in a nerf this card thread?

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515524#msg515524
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2012, 12:51:55 am »
should i make a new thread with my berf idea and a poll because its ridiculous to talk about what IMO is a buff in a nerf this card thread?
People are more receptive of berfs in buff threads.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515525#msg515525
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2012, 12:53:22 am »
is that a yes? i think i should make a reflective shield thread in buff this card with my berf idea, and im not sure if you are supporting that or saying i shouldnt.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg515578#msg515578
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2012, 02:57:06 am »
is that a yes? i think i should make a reflective shield thread in buff this card with my berf idea, and im not sure if you are supporting that or saying i shouldnt.
Yes. (but use an existing thread if one exists)
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516063#msg516063
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 11:21:23 am »
i don't understand, its been over a month, why is this overpowered piece of trash shield not removed yet?

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516092#msg516092
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 02:32:18 pm »
lolwut? just becuase it reflects bolts and psions?

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516105#msg516105
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 03:30:51 pm »
lolwut? just becuase it reflects bolts and psions?
i don't understand, its been over a month, why is this overpowered piece of trash shield not removed yet?

This is a berf thread. However due to people ignoring the comments, the berf discussion has been moved to the buff thread. I am disappointed in the low reading comprehension.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516138#msg516138
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2012, 04:51:35 pm »
i was talking to yalidae becuase i thought even if he believed it needs a nerf his post was "overenthusiastic" about getting one. also, no ones posting in my buff/berf thread anyway.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516142#msg516142
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2012, 04:58:10 pm »
Perhaps a link will help: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41599.0.html
Those who wish to discuss whether Reflective Shield can be improved can visit the link above.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg516711#msg516711
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2012, 12:34:37 pm »
i think that reflective shields ability to remove bolt stall decks is a good thing. why cant bolt stall decks just add creatures? a deck that only revolves around bolts deserves to be counterable. frankly reflective shield is pretty weak.
berf idea:increase unupped cost by 1. give it one damage resistance. remove untargetable. add a bonewall style PC resist where unupped takes 2 PCs to remove and upped takes 3. or you could give it more counters like 4/8 and have resisting spell damage also remove a counter.
this needs more balancing but i think if someone helped me balance it like that it would make reflective shield a better card.
That berf would completely change many decks that use reflective shield. I like PC protection, but I like reflective shield's immateriality too.
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