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Reflective shield

Leave as is
99 (90%)
Minor nerf
4 (3.6%)
Moderate nerf
2 (1.8%)
Major nerf
0 (0%)
Remove Entirely
5 (4.5%)

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[Official] Reflective Shield | Mirror Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506384#msg506384
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:41:33 am »


Reflective Shield is absurd because it renders decks reliant on damage spells completely worthless; this single card can discredit an entire category of strategies in this way.

How to fix: Remove "cannot be destroyed or stolen" flag. While it would still serve its purpose, that is, as an anti-spell shield, and it is still a threat to users of spell-reliant decks, it's no longer an insurmountable wall of death to these decks.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506392#msg506392
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 01:56:15 am »
I can't believe people are voting to keep this ridiculous card as it is. It destroys the whole game.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506393#msg506393
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 02:01:37 am »
I can't believe people are voting to keep this ridiculous card as it is. It destroys the whole game.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506394#msg506394
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 02:01:43 am »
Protip: Using a reflective shield of your own allows your damage spells to bypass your opponent's.

Just because a card counters a deck archetype does not mean it should be nerfed. What about black hole? That counters rainbows. What about sanctuary? That counters denial.

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506396#msg506396
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 02:03:09 am »
What about black hole? That counters rainbows. What about sanctuary? That counters denial.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506397#msg506397
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 02:07:48 am »
Protip: Using a reflective shield of your own allows your damage spells to bypass your opponent's.

Just because a card counters a deck archetype does not mean it should be nerfed. What about black hole? That counters rainbows. What about sanctuary? That counters denial.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506411#msg506411
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 03:19:42 am »
Reflective Shield is absurd because it renders decks reliant on damage spells completely worthless; this single card can discredit an entire category of strategies in this way.

How to fix: Remove "cannot be destroyed or stolen" flag. While it would still serve its purpose, that is, as an anti-spell shield, and it is still a threat to users of spell-reliant decks, it's no longer an insurmountable wall of death to these decks.

I think that's the point though; against decks based SOLELY on spells, not having any type of reflective/emerald shield to defend against bolting strategies is a bad concept in general, and would ultimately tip the meta into a boring direction that revolves around saving up quanta, then bolting (or exploding, if you like Unstable Gas) away until the enemy is decimated. Firestall was nerfed for this very reason with quanta caps (although it didn't work as well, seeing as Ice Bolt/Drain Life were affected more), and to me, I don't think it Reflective Shield should be nerfed for that reason at all.

If anything, a shield that would stop ALL spells (not just damaging spells like Lightning and Fire Lance; but things like silence, blessing, reverse time, and earthquake) would be much more nerf worthy in a thread, but alas, the reflective shield doesn't deal with those types of spells...
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506418#msg506418
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2012, 03:56:59 am »
Why is there a thread for this? This has to be one of the worst nerf attempts in a while. Lets see what it reflects: Lightning, purify, bolts, etc ( don't feel like listing them all, and am sure i'm forgetting a couple ) Just because it counters a few decks doesn't mean its overpowered.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506420#msg506420
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 04:02:09 am »
What should Reflective Shields Nerf be since if you do fire bolt on opponent with 75 quanta it has 24 attack.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506439#msg506439
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 06:05:49 am »
Why doesn't the poll include an option like "don't nerf it, buff it!"?   :P 8)  I would vote for that!

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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506489#msg506489
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 11:49:10 am »
It is true that in retrospect it is very powerful, but I do not feel it needs a direct nerf (that is, to the card itself).  There are a lot of other types of damage than spell to rely on.  This appears to need an indirect nerf, such as a general anti-shield tactic that does not require direct targeting.  This would however, require that the text on the card be altered to say "Cannot be targeted." instead of "Cannot be destroyed or stolen."

Why is there a thread for this? This has to be one of the worst nerf attempts in a while. Lets see what it reflects: Lightning, purify, bolts, etc ( don't feel like listing them all, and am sure i'm forgetting a couple ) Just because it counters a few decks doesn't mean its overpowered.

Purify does not get reflected, as it is actually a poison-type (just reversed to give health).  Also, if it were to reflect, it would negate the idea that SoSa has the vulnerability to removal since this would be a staple to any deck that uses it, especially those that use SoD or Sundial.

Why doesn't the poll include an option like "don't nerf it, buff it!"?   :P 8)  I would vote for that!

Part of me feels that it was drastically buffed with the SoW/Quint combo.
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Re: Reflective Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40908.msg506493#msg506493
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 12:20:46 pm »
I voted completely remove it because clearly logic is not important and I like watching the world burn

 

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