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Psion needs a nerf?

Yes, reduce Psion's HP!
33 (52.4%)
Yes, increase Psion's cost!
7 (11.1%)
Yes, reduce Psion's attack power!
3 (4.8%)
Yes, Psion deals one dmg to himself, when he can not attack.
0 (0%)
Yes, ...[please specify]!
0 (0%)
No, let Psion as it is!
20 (31.7%)

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[Official] Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127093#msg1127093
« on: February 22, 2014, 05:00:15 pm »



Note, that I don't think Psion is overpowered. It is a pretty good balanced card.
But it needs a nerf, because it's too strong in the element aether :aether how it is right now. The reason is, Psion has a good damage/HP to cost ratio + Psion's passive ability ignore's 88% of all shields.

My opinion is, it needs a nerf in HP. 4|2 and 5|2 should be fine.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127098#msg1127098
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 06:24:07 pm »
It is a pretty good balanced card. But it needs a nerf.

Your logic is flawed. Do not add imbalance as a means of correcting imbalance.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127101#msg1127101
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 06:49:45 pm »
I'm with Odii on this one, though he could have worded it a little better.

His point seems to be: in a vacuum psion could be fine, but considering the easy synergies (fractal, dim shield, lobo, all in element), and the comparison with (unupped) phase spider, it needs a small nerf.

For that reason, I fully support a hp reduction: currently psiontal is neigh unstoppable, especially if you bring lobo in case of reflecting shields. With less hp's (mass)-CC would be much more effective. Aside from that, I think phase spider and phase recluse could use a hp increase as well, that way, people have a bit more incentive to use spider of psion. (I would say 4|4 unupped spider, 7|3 or 6|5 upped)
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127102#msg1127102
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 06:50:25 pm »
It is a pretty good balanced card. But it needs a nerf.

Your logic is flawed. Do not add imbalance as a means of correcting imbalance.

No. You just don't get it.
It's actually not the card which get's a nerf. It's aether :aether.

edit: thanks dictator for helping me with the better explanation.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127103#msg1127103
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 07:01:31 pm »
I agree psion needs a nerf.

One idea is to change the card to a  2-2 that cost 2 instead of a 4-4 that cost 4. But I don't know if this is better than a hp decrease.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127135#msg1127135
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 11:48:56 pm »
It is a pretty good balanced card. But it needs a nerf.

Your logic is flawed. Do not add imbalance as a means of correcting imbalance.

No. You just don't get it.
It's actually not the card which get's a nerf. It's aether :aether.

edit: thanks dictator for helping me with the better explanation.

Line 1: IF Aether is unbalanced
Line 2: AND IF Psion is balanced
Line 3: THEN nerf Aether, not Psion

If you misstated one of your premises (Lines 1 and 2), then ignore the conclusion (Line 3).
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1127152#msg1127152
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2014, 06:32:36 am »
Psion's balance is questionable as is - an HP nerf is not unreasonable to consider to keep the card balanced, or even above average. Especially one that puts it within the range of mass CC. This would make countering psiontal (arguably the most prominent damage combination in the unupped metagame right now, in the element of some of the best defensive cards) considerably easier, and would be a welcome nerf.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1130094#msg1130094
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 02:31:45 am »
Unupped, it has 1 less health than a charger, is affected by 12% more shields than said charger, but costs 1 less. Neither of the previous effects are really enough to warrant it being cheaper, could probably be nerfed slightly, if only to put it in RoF range.

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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1147394#msg1147394
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2014, 05:58:11 pm »

I suggest:

- HP reduction, unupped psion 4|2 and upped one 5|3.
- No more airborne.
- Cost increased to 5  :aether for both.
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1147572#msg1147572
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2014, 10:53:08 pm »
 HP reduction, unupped psion 4|2 and upped one 5|2. and same price 4 :aether
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Re: Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1161844#msg1161844
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2014, 06:09:09 am »
Your right,  :aether doesn't usualy have very high HP. It often has immaterial instead. (not saying psion should be immaterial)
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Re: [Official] Psion | Psion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53824.msg1293464#msg1293464
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2019, 04:08:39 pm »
Since HP is not the focus of the Unit, it could be itself restatted vs CC measures.
Being 4|4 then 5|4 exposes it to TStorm, while 3 4|2, 4 5|4 is a buff to base while exposing it vs CC.

 

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