[Official] Mindgate | Mindgate

[Acsabi44]

maybe limiting the number of Mindgates that you can have in play? (to 1?)
it's not too irritating in  itself but gets out of hands in multiples.

[Ant-n-ero]

I'd say nerf due to what Zeru calls, mind gate resonance:
"Mind Gate Resonance. A phenomena when 2 players are using this cards, allowing them to brake the 6 card rule limit for mind gate, thus, reaching enormous power."

link to thread is:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12343.0.html

shows Mindgate deck w/Stone Skins/SoD and miracle vs the same thing, players have up to 500HP >_< and like a load of mindgates (like 8 (loads were destroyed otherwise it'd be more)

I propose to have mindgate only last for 5 card draws (as in you use Mind Gate's ability 5 times, then it destroys itself) any one else agree?

[Avenger]

You can avoid mindgate resonance by exploding the opponent's gate
So far i never lost a game against mindgate using opponents (AI or PVP).

I lost many times against dune scorps, ruby dragons, lava golems.
Probably this is just the style of deck i usually play.
Anyway, mindgate is not at all threatening for this style, and a card is declared OP only if it threatens too many styles.

[Ant-n-ero]

You can avoid mindgate resonance by exploding the opponent's gate
So far i never lost a game against mindgate using opponents (AI or PVP).

I lost many times against dune scorps, ruby dragons, lava golems.
Probably this is just the style of deck i usually play.
Anyway, mindgate is not at all threatening for this style, and a card is declared OP only if it threatens too many styles.

well pretty much any mono or duo aether deck will take mindagte, as well as 90% of Rainbow/all quanta decks so I'd say that soon this may occur often, also many decks, specifically rushes don't cary perm control cards, but may have one or 2 steal or something, so I'd say give it a month and this resonance thing may happen a lot more often

this is why increasing the cost or limitng the number of turns it can be used should happen now
5 turns seems pretty good, that's 5 extra cards, if these 5 have mindgates then you are well up
Limiting it to 5 draws will not harm decks that aren't specifically trying to create huge decks, and limiting it to 5 isn't going to harm any decks either

[Hodari]

well pretty much any mono or duo aether deck will take mindagte, as well as 90% of Rainbow/all quanta decks so I'd say that soon this may occur often, also many decks, specifically rushes don't cary perm control cards, but may have one or 2 steal or something, so I'd say give it a month and this resonance thing may happen a lot more often

There's quite a few decks I would not use mindgates in(fractal pest and rol/hope immediately come to mind).  It's certainly a very strong card but it's also one that needs a deck specifically built around it to be that good.  And I'd say a good rush deck will probably kill many mindgate decks a lot of the time before they have a chance to set up and use mindgate effectively.  I used a mindgate control deck for a while myself and rush decks were the ones which gave me the most problems usually.

[Avenger]

Playing the opponent's cards through mindgate will be slow and chancy.

1. you need to draw mindgate
2. you need to gain enough to set it up and operate it
3. you need to collect pillars from your opponent, while he doesn't destroys your gate
4. you need to collect quanta to play your opponent's cards.

This won't work well with mono/duo decks. Only with stalling rainbows.
It would just slow a rush deck down.

[Acsabi44]

Every card that allows for huge amounts of card advantage is OP. That fact lies inherently in  the definition of card advantage.
Oty Mindgate Sundial you name it.

[Fallower]

How does Otyugh give you card advantage? Sundial gives you back the card you drew... and Mindgate costs more than hourglass but usually gives you a weaker card... Not overpowered IMO.

[Acsabi44]

OK so Sundial is nerfed and it gives no advantage but oty... You play 1 card and kill several of the opponent's cards. Board control and card advantage combined.
(card advantage os not always about who has more cards but who has more options to manipulate the game's flow. Having more cards means having more options. Playing Mindgate gives you two edges over the opponent: Pure card advantage and the ability to deck out later than activating a Hourglass or Sundial.)

[Fallower]

But what good is the card when you can't use it most of the time unless you have a rainbow, and if you have a rainbow, the aether quanta would be harder to get. o.0

I still don't understand the card advantage thing, since earthquake, fractal, ROF all could potentially give you more of that than oty. o.o

[Acsabi44]

But what good is the card when you can't use it most of the time unless you have a rainbow, and if you have a rainbow, the aether quanta would be harder to get. o.0

I still don't understand the card advantage thing, since earthquake, fractal, ROF all could potentially give you more of that than oty. o.o

I'll write a longer post about the theory and concepts of card advantage a bit later in the week.

[7_Deadly_Sins]

There is no reason to nerf Mindgate. The card is fine by itself. Just because you lost to Mindgate doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed.