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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1068909#msg1068909
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2013, 05:29:20 pm »
Immaterial isn't the problem. The problem is that immaterial creatures damage you while your opponent is immune due to dim. shield and killing your creatures with lightning and there's nothing you can do about it.
Solution: make dim. shield silence it's user for as long as it protects him.
Would be better to just reduce it to 2 turns.
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1069145#msg1069145
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2013, 07:49:50 am »
Yes that sounds like a good idea - because those decks are very frustrating. Even when you can beat them, they often take much longer than they should because you have to wait for the dim shields to pass.

Also the good point was made earlier about the SoW making the immaterial creatures invincible. They cannot be targetted, pass shields - the only counter is healing or rush. THe dim shield easily prevent rush unless you have steal or deflag. Perhaps although untargetable for negative effects, the immaterial creatures could be still able to be labotomized by lobotomiser and mind flayer.
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1088477#msg1088477
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2013, 07:16:18 am »
More than easy to defeat these.
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1145926#msg1145926
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2014, 05:10:31 pm »
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Cards that tend to be immaterial/give immaterial are usually more expensive compared to their mortal/lethal counterparts and cannot be buffed.  I do not think any single card bearing immaterial is overpowered.

yeah this is the reason why I think no card need a nerf in the game because it is already balance out
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1161845#msg1161845
« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2014, 06:16:21 am »
yeah..its benefit  :aether ...so plus dtheir dimensional shield, or combine with other type as long most of it  :aether, its like impossible to defeated..

Chargers, Unstoppable , Explosion/Deflag, Steal, there are a lot of counters to mono  :aether. You have to innovate and expect, that's the fun in the game.
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1179045#msg1179045
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2015, 03:30:53 pm »
Permafrost Shield is a satisfying counter against aether deck rushes

* Reflective Shield can come in handy too, in case your opponent uses SoW
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1179047#msg1179047
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1179055#msg1179055
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2015, 07:49:16 pm »
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1180238#msg1180238
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2015, 10:49:04 am »
yeah..its benefit  :aether ...so plus dtheir dimensional shield, or combine with other type as long most of it  :aether, its like impossible to defeated..

Chargers, Unstoppable , Explosion/Deflag, Steal, there are a lot of counters to mono  :aether. You have to innovate and expect, that's the fun in the game.
Don't forget Gravity shield for the dragons.

Gravity Shields works only versus the dragons as long they don't get SoW on them.

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With this straight forward deck it is even possible to win versus FGs. Only decks to fear are fire (destroying Dim Shields) and gravity (Momentum and SoFo)

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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1180289#msg1180289
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2015, 09:36:46 pm »
yeah..its benefit  :aether ...so plus dtheir dimensional shield, or combine with other type as long most of it  :aether, its like impossible to defeated..

Chargers, Unstoppable , Explosion/Deflag, Steal, there are a lot of counters to mono  :aether. You have to innovate and expect, that's the fun in the game.
Don't forget Gravity shield for the dragons.

Gravity Shields works only versus the dragons as long they don't get SoW on them.

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With this straight forward deck it is even possible to win versus FGs. Only decks to fear are fire (destroying Dim Shields) and gravity (Momentum and SoFo)
There are a lot more cards then just that that counter mono aether if you don't factor in lobo. Like poisons, steals, freedom,  stalls, pulverizer, psions, butterfly effect etc.
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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1180343#msg1180343
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2015, 09:56:53 am »
Yeah I forgot steal. With 2 Lobotmizer in the deck some threads like butterfly or momentum can be blocked but not all.

Add in reflecting shields after the dragons or so are buffed with SoW.


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Re: immaterial too strong https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44334.msg1180746#msg1180746
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2015, 04:07:25 pm »
Yeah I forgot steal. With 2 Lobotmizer in the deck some threads like butterfly or momentum can be blocked but not all.

Add in reflecting shields after the dragons or so are buffed with SoW.
Butterfly effect, if played smart, can destroy lobo and not give lobo a chance. Play it on a creature after its been out a turn, destroy as you see fit. Lobo and dime shield handled. Albeit, with a shaky two card combo.
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