[Official] Immaterial skill

[godofdeath500]

And so, there is no more to say on this issue.

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Cards that tend to be immaterial/give immaterial are usually more expensive compared to their mortal/lethal counterparts and cannot be buffed.  I do not think any single card bearing immaterial is overpowered.

people might consider EA to be OP since it's low costs.
But I don't

[furballdn]

Immortality with SoW still just on the par, immortality itself are considered UP...
At the expense of a immortality creature, fire creatures offering almost 3x attack, I even want suggest  to think again who is on the OP side lol.

I consider immaterial creatures to be balanced.

"Fire creatures offering almost 3x attack" I'd like to see which ones have something like that. Below is a list of attack/cost ratios
Brimstone eater: 2
Crimson dragon: 1.2
Ruby dragon: 1.8
Fire Spectre: 0.67
Lava destroyer: 1.4
Phoenix: 1
Minor Phoenix: 2
Seraph: 1.33
Fahrenheit: 1.67 starting out

Compare that to some other cards:
Flesh recluse: 2
Phase recluse: 1.75
Graboid + 1 turn: 2.5
Frog: 2.5
Cockatrice: 1.67

Immortality does not follow a linear growing patter for attack and cost, being instead more like a 1.5 multiplier to attack. Fire trades defense for pure offense.

A ruby dragon is much more easily removed from the game than a phase dragon. A lava golem dies much easier than an immortal.

[meowww]

Immortality with SoW still just on the par, immortality itself are considered UP...
At the expense of a immortality creature, fire creatures offering almost 3x attack, I even want suggest  to think again who is on the OP side lol.

I consider immaterial creatures to be balanced.

"Fire creatures offering almost 3x attack" I'd like to see which ones have something like that. Below is a list of attack/cost ratios
Brimstone eater: 2
Crimson dragon: 1.2
Ruby dragon: 1.8
Fire Spectre: 0.67
Lava destroyer: 1.4
Phoenix: 1
Minor Phoenix: 2
Seraph: 1.33
Fahrenheit: 1.67 starting out

Compare that to some other cards:
Flesh recluse: 2
Phase recluse: 1.75
Graboid + 1 turn: 2.5
Frog: 2.5
Cockatrice: 1.67

Immortality does not follow a linear growing patter for attack and cost, being instead more like a 1.5 multiplier to attack. Fire trades defense for pure offense.

A ruby dragon is much more easily removed from the game than a phase dragon. A lava golem dies much easier than an immortal.

Well when I said that, I pair minor Phoenix with elite immortal, which fire are 2.8 times cost effective, and almost as hard to get rid of.
In terms of card numbers, fire got Cremation, which greatly reduce number of towers you need.
Dim-shield? Immortal kill themselves with fire-shield as well. Plus, just another 2 , 5 gone.

But true, not every creature like minor Phoenix, now I would rather say they are "just" more than 2x cost effective, than say they are almost 3x.

[furballdn]

Phoenix is 7atk (6 cost) + 1hp (0 cost) + phoenix (1 cost) = 7
Immortal is immortal 4 attack (4*1.5=6 cost) + 3hp (0 cost) = 6

Minor Phoenix is 4atk (3 cost) + 1hp (0 csot) + phoenix (1 cost) - Upgrade (2 cost) = 2
Elite Immortal is immortal 5atk (5*1.5=7.5) + 4hp (0 cost) - Upgrade (0.5) = 7

Elite immortal may be a bit UP since it's upgrade bonus is less than 1. A dead phoenix requires 1 turn + 1 to bring back while immortals can't be targetted at all. Immortals suffer less from debilitating shields than fire's other creatures.

[Vangelios]

In exchange for its immateriality, are sacrificed price and damage, ie, slow deck with little firepower.
Using the SoW he is competitive, but yet not OP.

[tekpau]

is there any card to target the creature..???really really want to kill the creature.....

[Absol]

Do you even read what's written here?
Targetting immortals can be done via SoW. Killing them via Fire Shield or Thorn Carapace.

[godofdeath500]

Do you even read what's written here?
Targetting immortals can be done via SoW. Killing them via Fire Shield or Thorn Carapace.

SoW just makes them deal spell damage, ignoring shields. Fire Shield and Thorn Carapace are the only ways.

[tekpau]

so only 2 way???other card would has many way to kill and e target, and yet it is not OP???

[godofdeath500]

so only 2 way???other card would has many way to kill and e target, and yet it is not OP???

False.  has Quint, which puts Immortality on a target creature.  is the only element with the power to do so. If anything, quint is one of the most useful cards in the game. It can be countered by Fire and Thorn, yes. But you can CC any creature before it has a chance to be quinted.

Immortality is not overpowered, as stated by countless people on this thread.

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These are just some of the counters to Immortality/SoW, and Aether in general. Make your own deck. You never know until you try to counter it. Good luck, I'm out.

*flies out on jetpack*

[meowww]

Phoenix is 7atk (6 cost) + 1hp (0 cost) + phoenix (1 cost) = 7
Immortal is immortal 4 attack (4*1.5=6 cost) + 3hp (0 cost) = 6

Minor Phoenix is 4atk (3 cost) + 1hp (0 csot) + phoenix (1 cost) - Upgrade (2 cost) = 2
Elite Immortal is immortal 5atk (5*1.5=7.5) + 4hp (0 cost) - Upgrade (0.5) = 7

Elite immortal may be a bit UP since it's upgrade bonus is less than 1. A dead phoenix requires 1 turn + 1 to bring back while immortals can't be targetted at all. Immortals suffer less from debilitating shields than fire's other creatures.

You are assuming Immaterial should worth the *1.5, but my point is they aren't.
Or you are assuming Phoenix(Skill) should only worth 1 , but how can that be, if Immaterial worth that whole *1.5?

For damaging spell, when you put the fact that Phoenix are almost triple in attack for same resource in consideration, you will find that single target spells never pull Phoenix to Immortal's pathetic amount of damage.
Most mass damaging spell won't do their job well, if you consider their cost.
The only spell that Immortal do better than Phoenix is Thunderstorm, if your own field aren't considered, Pandemonium.

For debilitating shields, fire is one of the best elements against them, just get rid with 2 ...

For now the only point to using Immortal are SoW, which are petty pathetic...