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[Official] Horned Frog | Giant Frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178314#msg178314
« on: October 17, 2010, 03:08:55 pm »


I believe this is a bit op. The unugraded is understandable, but the upgrade to gaint frog with + 2 attack and no cost change is just absurd. Most cards that have an attack of 5 without a skill cost 4 at least. Just a 2 cost creature with an attack of 5 and 3 hp making is making the absolute perfect low-cost fractal target. Just my thoughts.
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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178318#msg178318
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2010, 03:20:12 pm »
No.

'Nuff said.

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178322#msg178322
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2010, 03:26:03 pm »
No.

'Nuff said.
This.
Also, Gaint-->Giant

Is there anything wrong with having one card that is slightly better than other cards?

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178328#msg178328
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2010, 03:28:08 pm »
worst. nerf attempt. ever.

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178331#msg178331
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2010, 03:30:40 pm »
Please delete this then
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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178334#msg178334
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2010, 03:32:21 pm »
Well, you said it's great with fractal, but that's pretty much what it's used for. If you nerf it, it won't ever see day light again. As for its damage to cost ratio being the best in game, that's also its whole point. Life lacks many important aspects, and it could only be made up by pure speed. +2 attack and no cost change is by no means absurd since it has no ability and low hp. Saying a creature with an attack of 5 without a skill cost 4 at least is completely ridiculous. Abyss crawler costs 4 but has 6 attack, phase recluse costs 4 but has 7 damage plus an ability, flesh recluse has 6 attack and only cost 3, plus it has an ability. Elite Graboid costs 4 including evolve and has 10 damage. This card is by no means overpowered what's so ever and I would even suggest to raise the attack of the unupped version by 1 since its pretty lame unless combined with adrenaline. Even then, its only 6 cost to 12 damage and very vulnerable to shields and poison and other types of CC. You are trying to destroy one of the only things life's good at. And really, unless all creatures are made exactly the same, there will always be the best creature for any quality no matter how much you nerf. Do you want all the creatures in elements to be exactly the same? If not then just accept the fact that giant frog IS currently the best damage to cost creature in the game and get over it. It is the best, but it's not better than other creatures by far, only a tiny bit. If anything graboid and abyss crawler should be nerfed before this, graboid can burrow to avoid CC and has more damage on 1 card, creating a card advantage, upgraded one can also withstand a firestorm and a few other CC. Abyss crawler not only has a good damage to cost ratio but is also twice as durable as giant frog. I don't honestly think they are overpowered either (graboid might be just a slight bit), but if you are going to nerf frog, nerf those first. Lastly, a fractal frog deck is way too easy to counter, a plague, a fire storm, 3 thunderstorm, flood, otyugh, fire shield, spine carapace, hope with 5 defence, any good damage reduction shield, retrovirus all wipes out the frogs quite efficiently so I don't know what you are complaining about. Just because you hate 1 deck doesn't mean the card in it should be nerfed, and really, RoL is much more powerful with fractal than frogs, why would you  pick on the frog before RoL? And theoretically RoL's damage to cost ratio is infinite, even higher than the frog (though I know it really doesn't matter).

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178340#msg178340
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 03:34:58 pm »
Thank you for telling me why it shouldn't be nerfed i don't hate life or the card. Just wondered why it was so low as a 2 cost, i appreciate you clearing this up for me.
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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178403#msg178403
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 04:59:49 pm »
Besides people, it doesn't have the best quanta:damage ratio in the game.
Look at photon.

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178416#msg178416
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 05:16:09 pm »
Besides people, it doesn't have the best quanta:damage ratio in the game.
Look at photon.
Or even... spark. infinity x 3 = ?
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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg178421#msg178421
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 05:19:20 pm »
spark doesn't count because it only attacks 1 turn as opposed to the other creatures attacking potentially unlimited turns. Of course, you can buff the spark to make it survive for more than 1 turn, but then you would be using quanta, and the damage to cost ratio would no longer be infinite. I went into debate about this subject a while back, and we went through this already. :P

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg184676#msg184676
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2010, 10:36:46 pm »
Pfft, it's easy to make spark cheap and effective.

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Re: Horned frog/ Gaint frog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14123.msg184679#msg184679
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2010, 10:38:10 pm »
Still, it's a two card combo. But yes, a 10/5 spark for 1 entropy quanta is epic.

 

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