[Official] Hope | Hope

[Stylin Brah]

Hope is the backbone of the one of the best FG killing decks and I myself use it, theres no need to nerf our FG decks. However, it can be very lousy to face in pvp the only ways to really bypass the shield is by poisons/magic or killing the light emitting creatures. Some decks have the ability to keep the damage going this way but other decks it be basicly stopped in it's tracks. some might argue that it takes a while to work up the RoLs but thats where SoGs come in and make sure low damage if any is done. Basicly i'm trying to say although light needs the boost it would be better to no have it all rely on one overly powered card. Think about diamond shield upgraded mitigates 3 damage, an upgraded hope would only need 2 RoL on the field to be doing similarly to the runner up in absorb. one fractal will give you atleast 4 RoLs on the field putting the mitigation up to 5 which leaves a large amount of cards unable to do any damage at all.

[camper]

Is hig cost  of 

[PuppyChow]

Hope is simply different from the other shields. While most shields are countered by permanent control, hope is countered by creature control, esp. area creature control.

So I am strongly opposed to it not being protected.

[plastiqe]

Hope does nothing on its own, it takes multiple other cards before it becomes effective.  The cost is in line with other powerful shields.  I fail to see how this card is at all overpowered.

Comparing Hope + 2x RoL + Fractal to one Diamond Shield... yeah the 4 card combo beats the 1 card for damage mitigation... so what?

[bojengles77]

Although hope is powerful, one mass CC card can take down the entire deck (rol hope), and there are more than one of those. Plague, retrovirus, firestorm, fire shield, thorn carapace and pandemonium all undermine the strategy of the deck. This shield is powerful, but its source of power comes from 1/1 creatures which are easy to kill

[moomoose]

hope is OP because of fractal, fractal is the problem.

[WhiteTigerShiro]

hope is OP because of fractal, fractal is the problem.

This is more-or-less my thoughts, too.  Hope only becomes overpowered when your opponent starts getting Fractals off and is able to litter the field with free light-emitting creatures (sure they're only 1/1, but they add-up if you don't have a mitigation shield, and if you do that's what the Angels and Dragons are for).  I definitely agree that the problem is to first fix Fractal, then see how that effects decks that rely on it to fuel Hope.  If Hope decks remain too powerful, THEN we can take a look at things from there.

[BluePriest]

We seem to have come to a crossroad here. Is Hope OP? Is Fractal OP? To me neither card is op on its own. I could come to the same conclusion with fractal. The only OP thing about it is Hope. I dont see any other problem with fractal.

[WhiteTigerShiro]

We seem to have come to a crossroad here. Is Hope OP? Is Fractal OP? To me neither card is op on its own. I could come to the same conclusion with fractal. The only OP thing about it is Hope. I dont see any other problem with fractal.

The problem is that Hope only becomes TOO powerful when you can Fractal a free-cost creature and get +7 to its mitigation in a single turn (on top of anything you might have already put into play).  Without Fractal, you can only have upto 6 of that free creature in your deck, and you aren't guaranteed to draw more than half of them, so from there you need to mix-in other creatures with no abilities and Luciferase (or the Nymph) in order to get more than 3 or 4 mitigation out of Hope.

[BluePriest]

Yes, and fractal only gets TOO powerful when mixed in with hope. That is my point. They are both OP when used together, however, that is the ONLY combo, and that combo is easily destroyed, so theres ultimately not a problem with either card,

[WhiteTigerShiro]

Yes, and fractal only gets TOO powerful when mixed in with hope. That is my point. They are both OP when used together, however, that is the ONLY combo, and that combo is easily destroyed, so theres ultimately not a problem with either card,

The difference is that we've never seen the phrase "That card can't be implemented because it would be too powerful if combined with Hope."  But we have seen similar phrases referring to a certain other card.

[dragonhuman]

We seem to have come to a crossroad here. Is Hope OP? Is Fractal OP?

pretty sure its fractal


hope is balanced its just decks that utilize hope seem op cause a card wouldn't be used if it wasn't good