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How do you think this card should be nerfed?

Small nerf --> Take it out of the shop
Medium nerf --> Increase quanta cost of card
Large nerf --> Increase quanta cost of skill activation
This card is good as is.
This card should be totally changed or removed from the game (I doubt anyone will choose this)

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[Official] Firefly Queen | Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000115#msg1000115
« on: September 16, 2012, 03:21:54 pm »


Firefly Queen is a bit too powerful. Its as powerful as Pharoah, which is a RARE (and none too easy to get, at that), but it can be bought in the shop.

I say take it out of the shop.
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000116#msg1000116
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2012, 03:25:11 pm »
Pharaoh is really easy to get. Most bronze rare spins have that.
Queen is not poweful at all. It needs another element to get out fireflies. And has a cost of 6.
Can easily get outrushed too.
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000117#msg1000117
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2012, 03:28:45 pm »
Its not that hard to have the extra quanta needed to play this card. A few extra pendulums, and you've got yourself a skill usage.
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000118#msg1000118
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2012, 03:30:23 pm »
Its not that hard to have the extra quanta needed to play this card. A few extra pendulums, and you've got yourself a skill usage.
With reducing your card-space slots
A few does not help much
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000120#msg1000120
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2012, 03:31:03 pm »
Present proof of your claim that it's more powerful. So far, pharaoh decks have a place in farming plat. Firefly Queen ones don't. In pvp, pharaoh does (last time i heard about it) okay in upgraded environment, while Firefly Queen has only some very limited use.
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000121#msg1000121
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2012, 03:32:37 pm »
the card is balanced, no nerf needed. if you want to use FFQ to full extent, meaning using its skill, you need  :life, meaning you need to run at least a  :air :life duo to make it work. you say that's easy, just put some penduluns and its done... you still need to learn a bit about deckbulding imo, otherwise i assure you, you wouldnt be saying that

Besides, FFQ has some pretty good counters, like DR shields, lobo and mass CC to kill fireflies

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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000124#msg1000124
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2012, 03:44:39 pm »
FFQ:
Slow
Needs duo
Slow
Fall to one RoF
SoR? What SoR?
Slow

Pharaoh:
Faster
Can use mono with Mark of :gravity for CC
Faster
Is pretty much unkillable once rolling
PharaSoR = automated killing machine
Faster
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000125#msg1000125
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2012, 03:46:22 pm »
Firefly Queen decks are not fast, are predictable and to loses for most of the competitive deks.
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000127#msg1000127
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2012, 03:48:46 pm »
There's a reason why Firefly Queen is pretty much a pushover, and Osiris is a pain in the arse (aside from Shards). As was repeated earlier, FFQ requires a duo, while Pharaoh can be used with just a Gravity Mark in a mono deck. Also, Pharaoh is a :time creature with a skill, so it automatically has synergy with SoR :)
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000128#msg1000128
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2012, 03:51:45 pm »
Rarity shouldn't be taken in balance, compare Graboid and Pharaoh for example.

FFQ doesn't needs a nerf, it needs a duo to use and doesn't have the CC Pharaoh decks can put down. Gonna disagree with people that say FFQ is slow, it's not slow at all once it gets going. But again, it needs a duo to work and fails against mass CC, for Pharaoh decks those 2 don't happen.
I consider this card needs a buff, or fireflies should get(at least unupped).
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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000130#msg1000130
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2012, 03:58:45 pm »
There's a reason why Firefly Queen is pretty much a pushover, and Osiris is a pain in the arse (aside from Shards).

Yes, there is. The deck simply being worse. If Fire Queen were built similarly to how Osiris is, it would be fairly threatening.

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Re: Nerf Firefly Queen/Elite Queen https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43480.msg1000146#msg1000146
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 05:14:46 pm »
making a card rare doesn't count in the balance of the card. FFQ decks are slow-building strategies and very vulnerable against CC, rush and denial.
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