[Official] Empathic Bond | Feral Bond

[allembrande jackson]

I have mentioned the dissonance between Empathic Bond and Nightfall (one stacks, the other doesn't), but I think I have resolved it: neither should stack!

The reason: feral bond becomes to aggressively effective when multiplied (by a breeder creature), and the best synergy it poses is doubly stackalicious with Hope.

I find the Lv3 AI annoying enough with a firefly queen deck, but seeing my third FFQ, EBx6, HOPE deck today is ridiculous (and by ridiculous, I mean I should post the players names and publicly ridicule their lack of ingenuity)

EB is fine, but it should not stack.

[propheon]

bond is ok you need a lot of quanta to be effective with  it and it fail often i think. And nightfall would be too good in some deck if it stacked .

[allembrande jackson]

Cool - I agree with your support for the symmetry of the EB/NF cards (both stack or neither), but I rarely see EB decks run out of quanta.  A low cost mitosis, FFQ, or just a green rush can put twelve or more creatures out in half a dozen turns.  With more than one EB that's dozens of HP back every turn, and the only answer is a mitt-full of permanent control, or mass creature control.

[propheon]

from my experience tho i see bond deck more of a platinum arena deck with double draw mark 3 full upped double life. Cuz personally i think only 2 of my rush out of like 10  could lose to it ... shields r useless lol

[bossitron]

i personally think empathic bond is probably the most balanced  card

[Sorathor]

I'm  always happy when my opponent plays this instead of anything harmful. The only deck that should have problems with this is a poison deck.

Rushes have more creatures on the field than the bonder so they just dont care (like 5 healing while I do 30+ dmg).
Quanta denial doesn't alllow you to spam creatures, so only little heal.
Control decks should be able to remove the creatures that the bond heals for 1 or 2 max or can use any PC. If you have neither CC nor PC you should think if you really play a control deck.
Last but not least stalls. They go either for OTK (your EB doesnt even heal a single hp) or poison, which is the only deck really annoyed by bonds.

Yes bonds can give you an edge in a life rush over other rushes, but mostly a mitosis or another creature would have hurt as much.

FFQ doesn't do much before turn 7, dies to every single form of CC and EB dies to PC. Actually one of the easier elders, imo.

[Ginyu]

Empathic bond has tons of weaknesses:
- PC, obviously
- CC -> less creatures, less healing
- very slow -> expensive card itself (you need at least two to make good use, so 2 cards and 10|8 life quanta) as well as you don't set up lots of creatures in the first few turns
- Shard of Gratitude serves cheaper, earlier healing (less, but don't depend on creatures)
- in a rush, Heal is better

In my opinion, EB is a but underpowered. In my PvP-experience, I've never seen anyone playing bonds. All in all, only high Arena decks with 2x draw and 3x mark can be sure to set this up fast enough.

[Espithel]

Compare.
For reference, SoGra contends for worst shard in the game.

[allembrande jackson]

I agree, SoGratitude is horrific (because it stacks and the whole stack can be EnchArt)

BUT

This is about Empathic Bond...

[Cheesy111]

Compare.
For reference, SoGra contends for worst shard in the game.

Unupped, soI soSe SoBre SoR SoV are all substantially worse.  I agree that empathic bond is not a good card, but implying that SoG is UP does not further your claim.

[propheon]

usally when i build a deck in mtg i try to see if the card is a good duel card or if its a multiplayer card. At etg its pretty much the same thing is it a good duel card or a arena card .. i think bond is a  arena card ... couple exception exist like always .

[allembrande jackson]

Sorry, I used horrific ambiguously ... SoGrat is OP (as well)