[Official] Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion

[Jumpitydude]

I will admit, if I made a new topic against a card every time I lost due to it, I'd be banned faster than you can blink, but this isn't one of those instances. I actually won the game I realized this in, but Neurotoxin needs to be nerfed. I had about 21 poison on me by the end of the game, about ten turns, due to two cards my opponent had, even after I stole his Procrastination. Sure, use enough cards and you can get more poison even faster on your opponent, but the amount of poison isn't my issue; it's how few cards my opponent had to use to get that much poison so quickly. Sadly, I have no current ideas of how to nerf it without making it completely ineffective, but I am very open to suggestions.

[OldTrees]

Your argument is 21 poison after 10 turns due to 2 cards is OP.
Arsenic = 10 poison after 10 turns.
Forest Scorpion = 10 poison after 10 turns.
That's 20 poison in 10 turns using 2 cards.

[Chapuz]

21 poison after 10 turns due to 2 cards?
Arsenic = 10 poison after 10 turns.
Forest Scorpion = 10 poison after 10 turns.
That's 20 poison in 10 turns without even trying to be efficient (adrenaline).

I was gonna make the comparison against just a forest with Adrenaline, and that's on a single elements. Thanks 

[esran]

lolwut? this isnt OP at all. its hard countered by purify, and so weak to CC. its one saving grace is that after being CCed if its got at least one hit on its deals damage the whole fight, but usually cant get past 30 unless it survives. thus it loses to healing, dark, and most other things. its ability to keep on dealing damage after death does make it perfect for pairing with sosacs, in which case its extremely useful, however that is sosac being OP, not dune scorp.

[Absol]

Comparing this to Deathstalker might be better. They both give more or less equal poison on average.

[Jumpitydude]

I think I should make it more clear that the entire game was around ten turns, and he didn't get the scorpions out until about halfway through. And the big point is that the poison is dependent on you playing cards, which means that the only time it's useful without being OP is if the one infected only needs to play a few more cards, otherwise it's special poisoning ability is either useless, with all the cards already in play, or OP, where you still need to play a good number of cards. The point I want to make is that the poison should be dependent of the cards played.

Of course, thinking more about it, I guess the fact that it can be useless as much as OP is actually a good reason not to nerf it.

[omegareaper7]

I think I should make it more clear that the entire game was around ten turns, and he didn't get the scorpions out until about halfway through. And the big point is that the poison is dependent on you playing cards, which means that the only time it's useful without being OP is if the one infected only needs to play a few more cards, otherwise it's special poisoning ability is either useless, with all the cards already in play, or OP, where you still need to play a good number of cards. The point I want to make is that the poison should be dependent of the cards played.

Of course, thinking more about it, I guess the fact that it can be useless as much as OP is actually a good reason not to nerf it.

Except getting that much over 5 turns would mean you played a lot of cards. Its not hard to get around its poison and make it weak.

[rickerd]

Not OP

there's much to counter it, and the scorp allready starts with 0 atk so you need to buff it

[furballdn]

 

You claim you received 21 poison counters after 5 turns of scorpion? That means you need to have played 16 cards in 5 turns, or about 3 cards per turn in 5 turns. Y U play so much cards while neurotoxin'd.

[Jumpitydude]

You claim you received 21 poison counters after 5 turns of scorpion? That means you need to have played 16 cards in 5 turns, or about 3 cards per turn in 5 turns. Y U play so much cards while neurotoxin'd.

Don't forget that they still add a poison counter when they hit you, and they had Blessing applied.

But more importantly, my argument feels really invalid now, since I've torn that deck in two every time I've gone against it after making this thread. This card feels like a joke against my deck, especially compared to Crusader.

[furballdn]

You claim you received 21 poison counters after 5 turns of scorpion? That means you need to have played 16 cards in 5 turns, or about 3 cards per turn in 5 turns. Y U play so much cards while neurotoxin'd.

Don't forget that they still add a poison counter when they hit you, and they had Blessing applied.

But more importantly, my argument feels really invalid now, since I've torn that deck in two every time I've gone against it after making this thread. This card feels like a joke against my deck, especially compared to Crusader.

I factored in them attacking even though you said you had a procrastination 

5 turns = +5 poison
21-5=16, you would've had to played 16 cards in 5 turns (How would you even do that without massive amounts of hourglasses?). Therefore you argument is invalid.

And please, stop making a new thread complaining about each card in AI3 every time you lose to them. And just because you can beat something doesn't mean it's weak or underpowered.

[Jumpitydude]

You claim you received 21 poison counters after 5 turns of scorpion? That means you need to have played 16 cards in 5 turns, or about 3 cards per turn in 5 turns. Y U play so much cards while neurotoxin'd.

Don't forget that they still add a poison counter when they hit you, and they had Blessing applied.

But more importantly, my argument feels really invalid now, since I've torn that deck in two every time I've gone against it after making this thread. This card feels like a joke against my deck, especially compared to Crusader.

I factored in them attacking even though you said you had a procrastination 

5 turns = +5 poison
21-5=16, you would've had to played 16 cards in 5 turns (How would you even do that without massive amounts of hourglasses?). Therefore you argument is invalid.

And please, stop making a new thread complaining about each card in AI3 every time you lose to them. And just because you can beat something doesn't mean it's weak or underpowered.

I guess I should have made it more clear, but he did have two scorpions, and I'm not sure it was exactly ten turns or that he played them on turn five, just that he had them and they got a lot of poison on me.

Also, I've only made two threads; one for Crusader, and this one. And I'm not calling it weak, I'm just saying that I've got a good deck to counter it. I'm currently using Adrenalin Vampires, and creature control decks kick my hind very frequently. It may not seem like it, but I'm trying to make valid points, though I apparently have tunnel vision when doing so.