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[EvilDeathX]

I honestly cannot believe there is not a nerf thread for this card already.
Discord is way OP, it randomly redistributes 9 of your opponents quanta. This is enough to screw over almost any deck. In addition, it only costs three to bring out. I don't know how many times I have won a game, simply because I got out Discord second turn. Why? Because this broken card is so cheap. My suggestion, is to up the cost of Discord, maybe to 5. Or you could add a cost to activate it's ability. (Which now that I think about it, would make it more OP, as then it would get around shields.)

[silinda]

boooo....pick a better card for OP or a better argument.

Lots of cards can screw you over (most any weapon) if it gets out on the second turn and there are plenty of shards that are OP too.

Discord really only hurts mono/duo decks and only if it gets out really early or you're only running a few points of the one color.

Pest does worse and for less, it actually gives the  back to the player who played pest.

I better argument for nerfing discord (which they are already doing in the next update) is that SN/nova based decks are taking a slight hit because of singularity, making the effect of discord possibly bigger to rainbow decks.

course, with shards and  towers, rainbow decks don't seen nearly as affected by discord, even with only playing on SN a turn.

my rainbow decks, even the speed ones that don't use more then 4  of any color never really got hurt by discord, more annoying then anything. Only a lucky pestal deck got me there.

[EvilDeathX]

I have been in Pvp most of the week with a deck that uses Discord. And do you know haw many games I have lost? Three and they were only against Rainbow.
So to your argument that "It only effects mono or duo". Well that is about 90% of the decks out there.

Discord IS an OP card and Singularity does not change that. I only played against one rainbowrush deck, and I still won. And the reason that you don't see many of those, is because they are hard to balance. You will never see a noob, and even SOME veteran players making a rainbowrush deck for this reason.

You tell me to pick a different argument, well I say look at what you typed and try again.

[Drake_XIV]

Mono and Duo decks constitute 90% of all decks?  That's funny.  Rainbows are far too commonplace to be designated a mere 10% of deck ideas.

On another note, I like how you're are arguing that Discord is overpowered because you use it far too easily.

[Fireleaf]

Seriously? Discord just got nerfed. The fact that Zanz only gave it a minor nerf shows that he feels that is all it needs. If Discord really bothers you, you can simply increase your quanta generation, pack more PC, use Sanctuary or play a rainbow.

[EvilDeathX]

Mono and Duo decks constitute 90% of all decks?  That's funny.  Rainbows are far too commonplace to be designated a mere 10% of deck ideas.

On another note, I like how you're are arguing that Discord is overpowered because you use it far too easily.

I am only guessing percent in relation to all the deck that I have played against in the previous week. And yes I don't feel you have a right to protest anything unless you have actually tried it. Therefore, I have been using this deck...

...to farm gold in pvp. And I totally feel like an axx for it.

[Poker Alho]

the card is balanced, has counters, you may argue it is OP when combined with other cards but in the end, its not... and just because Discord now affects 90% of current decks out there (and you are more than wrong, you did not played nearly enough matches to effectively say on solid data that 90% of decks out there are mono/duo) doesnt mean its OP. thats called METAGAME, and METAGAME shifts constantly to balance and evolve.As an example, when Sosac came out, everyone said it was immensely OP (and it was OP, thus the nerf it got next) but now you see many effective strategies and decks able to effectively counter decks based on Sosac and still be a viable farmer

[Higurashi]

Most vets were happy when Zanz nerfed this from 10 to 9 scrambled quanta. It's no real nerf, but it's a sign of the right direction. As a single card, it's still too effective against too many decks of course. The popular previously proposed nerf was +1 cost, and it would certainly have a larger impact than lowering the scramble by that little, but either method works for nerfing if the right proportions are used.

My preliminary estimation would be that 7 scramble would be closer to balanced, but in honesty you can't fix the real problem of this card with either method; that it works too well against too many decks. If it worked well against a few, it would be no problem.

There's only a slight difference when you compare its effects in the unupped and upped meta, but it's certainly more potent on its own in the unupped environment. Unfortunately you mostly just see it in DBH-bows in the upped meta, and they're pretty decently OP.

Denial is striking at the basic needs of a deck; almost no decks work without quanta. Having that in the meta is fine, even if it might prevent a match from ever really happening, which kind of ruins the point for one involved party. Having a single card specifically designed against all non-rainbows, however, is not good for the meta. The same could be said for Black Hole if rainbows were more common in organized PvP and if it was as effective as Discord. Thanks to Nova, it's not.

I stand by my old opinion that +1 cost would be a big step towards balancing Discord.

[EvilDeathX]

the card is balanced, has counters, you may argue it is OP when combined with other cards but in the end, its not... and just because Discord now affects 90% of current decks out there (and you are more than wrong, you did not played nearly enough matches to effectively say on solid data that 90% of decks out there are mono/duo) doesnt mean its OP. thats called METAGAME, and METAGAME shifts constantly to balance and evolve.As an example, when Sosac came out, everyone said it was immensely OP (and it was OP, thus the nerf it got next) but now you see many effective strategies and decks able to effectively counter decks based on Sosac and still be a viable farmer

I see where you are coming from, and I do agree with you. However, Only , and can stop the damage, and only and can destroy/steal the card, and only can stop the effect all together. While yes, this does seem like a wide range, only and can be expected to run the required card as a default. I still believe that Discord is OP.

[Poker Alho]

the card is balanced, has counters, you may argue it is OP when combined with other cards but in the end, its not... and just because Discord now affects 90% of current decks out there (and you are more than wrong, you did not played nearly enough matches to effectively say on solid data that 90% of decks out there are mono/duo) doesnt mean its OP. thats called METAGAME, and METAGAME shifts constantly to balance and evolve.As an example, when Sosac came out, everyone said it was immensely OP (and it was OP, thus the nerf it got next) but now you see many effective strategies and decks able to effectively counter decks based on Sosac and still be a viable farmer

I see where you are coming from, and I do agree with you. However, Only , and can stop the damage, and only and can destroy/steal the card, and only can stop the effect all together. While yes, this does seem like a wide range, only and can be expected to run the required card as a default. I still believe that Discord is OP.

Actually you forgot Butterfly effect from  , wings from  stops it too, ice bolt from  :watercan freeze it, doll + BB can delay it and... wait how does  stops Discord??

[EvilDeathX]

How does stop it? I put because sundial stops attacks. And I did not put because, I was not counting it if it was only a chance. I did forget about .

[Drake_XIV]

How does stop it? I put because sundial stops attacks. And I did not put because, I was not counting it if it was only a chance. I did forget about .

Since Discord is not Ranged, it is blocked by Wings unless made Flying.

Sundial does not prevent Weapon attacks.

Also, aside from Butterfly Effect, Dissipation Shield also does a decent job at stopping damage.