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[ddevans96]

I was making points about Discord and Spike did not address any of them but rather proceeded to belittle me calling me inexperienced, which is false (I proved earlier that I've been PvPing since 2012, I just lost my old forum account).

Spike is calling you inexperienced in competitive PvP. PvP1 and 2 don't provide competition, events, tournaments, etc on forums do. In competitive PvP, Discord is an extremely powerful card, which Spike did point out here (albeit with some unnecessary sarcasm):

In particular, about this card:

- Discord is so weak that is usually banned from most weekly tournaments.
- Discord is so weak that is usually one of the most banned cards in Trials.
- Everyone, with a little bit of experience can tell you how discord is a strong weapon.
- The poll above speaks pretty clear (19 votes for OP, 30 votes for balanced, 1 vote for UP).

The first two points are the most relevant. Discord is banned in most weekly tournaments and by most players in Trials because of its power. The debate is usually whether Discord is simply just strong or actually overpowered, as the poll shows. Tournaments matter because they happen most often, and Trials are percieved as the pinnacle of individual achievement by some.

The reason Discord is believed by many to be so powerful is because of how much it slows down non-rainbow decks. Often these get slowed by 2 turns, depending on quanta draws and how Discord works randomly, it may be at much in 5. In competitive PvP, a 2 turn swing can be pretty crippling.

Hope this clears up some of your issues with how your opinion has been refuted so far.

[omegareaper7]

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Problem with that whole "wins because of other cards" is that the decks were virtually identical with none of there other pluses besides the weapons. 15 pillars each, 6 dragons, 5 aboms/ghosts respectively, and 4 copies of each weapon. Discord clearly had a much bigger impact. If you choose to ignore that, you might as well stop posting here.

[iancudorinmarian]

noone talks aout discord for a wile and noone ats an eye. Someone randomly posts ere and everyone loses teir minds.

[Captain Scibra]

When it comes to Discord, the nature of the card is that it is too strong early game and and tends to be too weak late game, unless that is accounted for.  I say it is Overpowered because of the amount that it scrambles, as well as compared to its cost.  Also, the fact that there are only a few shields that can stop the entire effect from happening, some needing set up, some up to chance is a significant factor.

So, essentially it has an edge both in numerical balance and practical balance that, in my honest opinion, makes the card overpowered.

[UndeadSpider1990]

I think that Discord becomes overpowered when, such as in a tournament, you can anticipate what kind of deck your opponent will be playing (and find that it's likely to be a mono or duo). In standard PvP, you have no idea if you're going to play against a Mono, a Cremation Rush, or a fat deck running all Quantum Towers.

While it's a killer against monos, against rainbows it is just as likely to do harm as it is to do good, e.g:

The opponent plays 2 novas, making 2 and 2 (among others).
Discord makes -1 ,
and +1 .
The opponent can no longer afford his Lycanthrope, but now he can play Graboid instead.

As Captain Scriba pointed out it is also a weak card if drawn late, so even against a mono it isn't always a merciless killing machine. A Longsword is evidently more cost effective if scramble isn't wielding significant results.

Therefore I voted it as "balanced", but agree with banning it in most tournaments and events. However, I would like like to see suggestions for how discord might be nerfed or changed, and think an improvement to the poll in this thread could go a long way.

Adding the options, for example, to:

- Make Scramble effect a fixed 50% of quanta instead of fixed 9.
- Make Scramble effect fixed 7 quanta.
- Increase cost to 4 (Higurashi).
- Shuffle each quanta individually (e.g. 1 quanta could be changed as many as 9 times resulting in only 1 total change) (serprex)
- Reduce damage to 3 (Ginyu).