[Official] Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield

[Aves]

Well, ninja'd. Anyways: why are we comparing monos? If this is about a specific card, why are we limiting it to its usage in monos, even if mono aether is where it is used the most?

[eaglgenes101]

mono time just can't against mono aether. SoFre dragons? thunderbolt. Pharaoh? Lobo. 2 anubis in the same turn to prevent lobo? too slow.
and majofa is almost unbeatable even ig he plays with a mono pilar

Anubis + SoR? Awesomesauceness.

[10 men]

Mono Time can absolutely win against mono Aether, it's actually even a slight favourite but that's mainly possible due to the overpoweredness of certain Shards...

In a meta where SoF (and SoI) is allowed Dim Shields won't play much of a role but that's to be expected whe you have a PC card that is so overpowered that you don't even have to feel bad if you only hit Pillars.

In conclusion, Dim Shield is overpowered and needs a nerf, and thank god we don't have to play with Shards in PvP Events.

[majofa]

May I recommend empirical evidence instead of assertions?
Dim Shield deck (majofa) vs any of the mono time attempts?

I was just using this: (and it would be modded with Lightnings and more Lobos if I was playing in an environment where Shards were allowed)
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[Tirear]

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Time's weapon has the special power to prevent deck out indefinitely, baring the use of certain cards that are not aether. Time also has the incredible stalling tool that is sundial. Add in some Shards of Stallpower, and we have a deck that ignores dim shields. 6 SoS + 6 Sundials + 2 SoBe = about two turns of being unprotected, assuming the opponent has a 30 card deck (which is pretty reasonable assumption when talking about the power of dim shield chaining). Looking at the deck majofa posted, it doesn't appear stand a chance without foreknowledge that this deck uses SoS. Adding more lobos + lightnings since this is a shard deck doesn't help his odds any. Meanwhile, the decks that I thought of when I heard the words "standard mono aether" are probably doomed even with that hint.

[edupro123]

ok, now, you have a realy good deck against mono aether, but a deck that sucks vs any other deck, meanwhile mono aether has only a bad match against this.

[Tirear]

ok, now, you have a realy good deck against mono aether, but a deck that sucks vs any other deck, meanwhile mono aether has only a bad match against this.

The deckout deck I posted should be effective against a variety of decks. Furthermore, these are far from the only bad match-ups mono aether has. These are what we get when restricted to mono time. Time was chosen as the most poorly suited element to face MA. Outside of that restriction, there is a huge list of counters that has been re-posted in this thread so many times, and plenty of decks utilizing them without crippling their ability to face other decks.

[edupro123]

you play 2 eternitys, drawing 2 PC would be enough to bet the deck. playing sundial means you are going to draw more than your opponent.

[Tirear]

you play 2 eternitys, drawing 2 PC would be enough to bet the deck. playing sundial means you are going to draw more than your opponent.

I said it beats a variety of decks. If I was trying to claim that SoStall was OP, then my deck would need to beat the majority of decks. However, I am only trying to disprove that it "sucks vs any other deck". Yes, there are also a variety of decks that beat mine. That is what we call "balance", and it is similar to how decks like mine can (allegedly) beat MA yet others are stopped completely by the dim shield chaining.

Also, note that sundial's draw is completely optional, and you can make up for early draws by using SoBe when your hand is full, giving your opponent card advantage. I would be more concerned about my opponent using his PC on my sundials so that he can kill me with creature damage.

[rosutosefi]

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Time's weapon has the special power to prevent deck out indefinitely, baring the use of certain cards that are not aether. Time also has the incredible stalling tool that is sundial. Add in some Shards of Stallpower, and we have a deck that ignores dim shields. 6 SoS + 6 Sundials + 2 SoBe = about two turns of being unprotected, assuming the opponent has a 30 card deck (which is pretty reasonable assumption when talking about the power of dim shield chaining). Looking at the deck majofa posted, it doesn't appear stand a chance without foreknowledge that this deck uses SoS. Adding more lobos + lightnings since this is a shard deck doesn't help his odds any. Meanwhile, the decks that I thought of when I heard the words "standard mono aether" are probably doomed even with that hint.

The ultimate counter to self-bouncing. If you bring a situational counter, let me bring a situational counter, too. Eh, the mono-time thing was directed at frimax. Now let's resume to the normal discussion. 

[kimham8a]

Time could also just include SoFo's for dim shields and rush rush rush.

[Tirear]

The ultimate counter to self-bouncing. If you bring a situational counter, let me bring a situational counter, too. Eh, the mono-time thing was directed at frimax. Now let's resume to the normal discussion. 

That only forces 1 draw. The more of these you include in your deck, the less offense you have (which already paid a cost for including 6 dim shields out of 30 cards), and the less of my stallpower I need to draw before I start bouncing. However, I will concede that it still gives a much better win-rate than I expected possible without turning to shards.

I do take offense to your calling it a situational counter. This deck should work against many of the decks that MA works on, as they both rely on powerful temporary stall cards. My deck loses to purify, SoP, and some cases involving CC, but is unaffected by momentum, spell damage (EDIT: I mean spell damage from creatures) and SoFr. While my previous deck was built to beat MA and is weak against anything else (or even just faster variants of MA), the deckout deck was designed to take advantage of Time's abilities to make a decent deck that also happens to work against MA (or at least some varieties thereof).

Time could also just include SoFo's for dim shields and rush rush rush.

Furballdn already posted one such deck. Majofa remains unconvinced that it is effective against well built MA.