[Official] Dimensional Shield | Phase Shield

[eaglgenes101]

I find it funny that people that never do any pvp event (OldTrees & Chapuz) are somehow the experts at card balance?  Play in some tourneys and PvP Events, then maybe you'll have a balanced opinion of the cards in this game.

For the record, Dim Shield is unbalanced and takes away from the game.

Most games are only decided by a turn or 2, so what happens if you stop your opponents damage entirely for 3 turns?

What happens to your games if you splash explosions into a mono deck?

[majofa]

I find it funny that people that never do any pvp event (OldTrees & Chapuz) are somehow the experts at card balance?  Play in some tourneys and PvP Events, then maybe you'll have a balanced opinion of the cards in this game.

For the record, Dim Shield is unbalanced and takes away from the game.

Most games are only decided by a turn or 2, so what happens if you stop your opponents damage entirely for 3 turns?

What happens to your games if you splash explosions into a mono deck?

This:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33594.0.html
That:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,34499.0.html
How about Momentum?
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32761.0.html

[jawdirk]

It is really hard to make a robust deck when splashing a little PC might not be enough, and adding too much PC will make you lose to a rush deck. Dim Shield is OP, because it is extremely unforgiving of having not enough PC, and the and rushes are also OP because they are similarly unforgiving of having too much PC.

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP! Woe unto any deck that splashes a few permanents, because they will get owned by a couple steal, deflag, or SoFo. It's best to pack as many permanents as possible, or none at all.

[furballdn]

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP!

What.

[Drake_XIV]

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP!

What.

[Chapuz]

maybe he's talking about SoFo. war with SoFo ftw

[Drake_XIV]

maybe he's talking about SoFo. war with SoFo ftw

He's definitely talking about SoFo, but the issue is that SoFo only makes up 1 out 4 PC options.  25% is not most...

[furballdn]

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP!

What.

SoFo is only one (that is agreed that is OP) form of PC. And there's definitely more than 4 forms of PC (both soft and hard)

[OldTrees]

I find it funny that people that never do any pvp event (OldTrees & Chapuz) are somehow the experts at card balance?  Play in some tourneys and PvP Events, then maybe you'll have a balanced opinion of the cards in this game.

1) I would point out that I have not sided one way or the other on this issue. I have merely been pointing out flawed logic.
2) I have lots of energy based ccg pvp experience. Just not in EtG. (Because I do not have the time to grind.)
3) My knowledge comes from listening to/questioning pvp experts and applying mathematical comparisons. Absorbing, storing and regurgitating the knowledge of pvp experts is the majority of what I do on the forum.
4) I only claim to be an expert at theoretical balance. Theory always bows to empirical evidence.

[jawdirk]

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP!

What.

Think about it.

Compare steal to antimatter. Both cards judo the power of a target card. Antimatter costs twice as much.
Deflagration|explosion outright destroys a permanent for 3|2. There is no CC that does that (rewind is the closest thing, and it is also OP). The CC for 3 or less is all situational, and it's a good trade if you manage to kill a creature with it.
Upped Pulverizer's ability (explosion) costs 2 . Explosion (also OP, see above) costs 2 , so by comparison, Pulverizer's ability gives you a free card every time you use it. Pulverizer is more efficient than Hourglass, which is one of the best cards in the game.

The consequence is that the game is dominated by this rock-paper-scissors: OP permanents -> OP Creatures -> OP PC -> ... That is why you can make a brutally effective deck with Phase dragon/Dim Shield, dragon/pheonix/explosion, or mummy/black dragon/steal, despite the fact that those decks have no synergy, no combos, are widely known, and every successful deck is built to try to beat them as often as possible. These decks are just playing the numbers, using the best cards on the quanta vs. power curve.

The vast majority of clever combo/synergy decks are simply not viable because the cards the combos are composed of are easily completely negated by a dim shield, an explosion, or a rewind, or out-rushed by a crimson dragon.

[furballdn]

The funny thing is, most of the PC is also OP!

What.

Think about it.

Compare steal to antimatter. Both cards judo the power of a target card. Antimatter costs twice as much.
Deflagration|explosion outright destroys a permanent for 3|2. There is no CC that does that (rewind is the closest thing, and it is also OP). The CC for 3 or less is all situational, and it's a good trade if you manage to kill a creature with it.
Upped Pulverizer's ability (explosion) costs 2 . Explosion (also OP, see above) costs 2 , so by comparison, Pulverizer's ability gives you a free card every time you use it. Pulverizer is more efficient than Hourglass, which is one of the best cards in the game.

The consequence is that the game is dominated by this rock-paper-scissors: OP permanents -> OP Creatures -> OP PC -> ... That is why you can make a brutally effective deck with Phase dragon/Dim Shield, dragon/pheonix/explosion, or mummy/black dragon/steal, despite the fact that those decks have no synergy, no combos, are widely known, and every successful deck is built to try to beat them as often as possible. These decks are just playing the numbers, using the best cards on the quanta vs. power curve.

The vast majority of clever combo/synergy decks are simply not viable because the cards the combos are composed of are easily completely negated by a dim shield, an explosion, or a rewind.

Compare CC. Very few creatures have over 5hp. A 12 dragon disappears with 1 or even 1 .

[regen2k9]

imho the real problem is a lack of in-element PC, aside from steal, explosion, and the lesser-used BE.