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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102882#msg1102882
« Reply #576 on: October 12, 2013, 06:05:51 pm »
But hey, that's why we have competitive PvP. All card games have unbalanced stuff.

I do recall chatter in IRC the other day about a MtG card that costs thousands of dollars x)
Black Lotus, was it?

That's just because it's very rare and very old. The creator of the game admitted it was a bad design and he just wanted it for his decks 20 years ago, lol

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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102888#msg1102888
« Reply #577 on: October 12, 2013, 07:00:24 pm »
But hey, that's why we have competitive PvP. All card games have unbalanced stuff.

I do recall chatter in IRC the other day about a MtG card that costs thousands of dollars x)
Black Lotus, was it?

That's just because it's very rare and very old. The creator of the game admitted it was a bad design and he just wanted it for his decks 20 years ago, lol

Black lotus is only one card of nine in total, the "Power Nine", with Black Lotus being the most expensive. And all of them were only printed in the first three editions (alpha, beta, and unlimited) Yeah, they are very rare and weren't printed since 1993 or something like that, but each of them can break the game, if you have enough of them in your deck. And there aren't many leagues where they aren't forbidden completely.

But it's just silly to compare them with dim shield. If you want to compare them, you probably should imagine an auto-imaterial Dim Shield.
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102890#msg1102890
« Reply #578 on: October 12, 2013, 07:25:07 pm »
But hey, that's why we have competitive PvP. All card games have unbalanced stuff.

I do recall chatter in IRC the other day about a MtG card that costs thousands of dollars x)
Black Lotus, was it?

That's just because it's very rare and very old. The creator of the game admitted it was a bad design and he just wanted it for his decks 20 years ago, lol

Black lotus is only one card of nine in total, the "Power Nine", with Black Lotus being the most expensive. And all of them were only printed in the first three editions (alpha, beta, and unlimited) Yeah, they are very rare and weren't printed since 1993 or something like that, but each of them can break the game, if you have enough of them in your deck. And there aren't many leagues where they aren't forbidden completely.

But it's just silly to compare them with dim shield. If you want to compare them, you probably should imagine an auto-imaterial Dim Shield.

There's no leagues where they aren't restricted to 1 or banned, except the casual playgroups of rich jerks.

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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102894#msg1102894
« Reply #579 on: October 12, 2013, 07:58:38 pm »
There's no leagues where they aren't restricted to 1 or banned, except the casual playgroups of rich jerks.

Well, we printed them in my school, and put them in foils and used normal cards in the back (to have normal background), just to test how overpowered the first decks in magics history were. (And I can tell you, you wouldn't be able to imagine a Power Nine+Old Sliver deck...) (for those who don't know, slivers are little evil creatures which are buffing each other. There are old and new ones, and the old ones were much faster to play...) ---Similar to that, I would also love to test how overpowered sundials were before nerfing started. ---> well I guess that is pretty of topic.

Well, knowing what overpower can really mean, I can't actually sence that with dim shields (or aether element as a whole) Yes, Aether, and dim shields are stronger than other cards and elements in this game, and yes, dim shields do restrict the design of other decks (since 1. you need more PC for dim shields than for any other card, and you would still be able to overcome any other shield without PC or Momentum.) and yes, Dim Shields could really be nerfed and would still be viable, and yes, it would probably make the game more balanced, but it's not a gamebreaking card which needs nerfing no matter what.
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102897#msg1102897
« Reply #580 on: October 12, 2013, 08:43:40 pm »
There's no leagues where they aren't restricted to 1 or banned, except the casual playgroups of rich jerks.

Well, we printed them in my school, and put them in foils and used normal cards in the back (to have normal background), just to test how overpowered the first decks in magics history were. (And I can tell you, you wouldn't be able to imagine a Power Nine+Old Sliver deck...) (for those who don't know, slivers are little evil creatures which are buffing each other. There are old and new ones, and the old ones were much faster to play...) ---Similar to that, I would also love to test how overpowered sundials were before nerfing started. ---> well I guess that is pretty of topic.

Well, knowing what overpower can really mean, I can't actually sence that with dim shields (or aether element as a whole) Yes, Aether, and dim shields are stronger than other cards and elements in this game, and yes, dim shields do restrict the design of other decks (since 1. you need more PC for dim shields than for any other card, and you would still be able to overcome any other shield without PC or Momentum.) and yes, Dim Shields could really be nerfed and would still be viable, and yes, it would probably make the game more balanced, but it's not a gamebreaking card which needs nerfing no matter what.

Last off topic comment. Did you use the old deck building rules? 40 card minimum and no 4 of limit. 13 black lotus, 15 lightning bolt, 12 timetwister  8)

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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102916#msg1102916
« Reply #581 on: October 12, 2013, 10:19:21 pm »
ive played since alpha and its always been a 4 card maximum other than lands. even in alpha when all players drew from the same deck.

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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1102935#msg1102935
« Reply #582 on: October 12, 2013, 11:44:38 pm »
ive played since alpha and its always been a 4 card maximum other than lands. even in alpha when all players drew from the same deck.

No there wasn't.

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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1103003#msg1103003
« Reply #583 on: October 13, 2013, 07:24:52 am »
ive played since alpha and its always been a 4 card maximum other than lands. even in alpha when all players drew from the same deck.

No there wasn't.

60 cards per deck, 4 cards limit per deck (standard-lands excluded) were the rules we used. Even I didn't know that there are other normal rules than that in alpha. (The deck looked something like 20x mox (there are 5 different, so 4 times each (are artifacts, don't cost anything, tapp them for 1 specific mana) 4x black lotus, 4x Ancestrall Recall (spell, draws 3 cards for 1 mana) 4x Time Walk (Extra turn for 2 mana) 4x Time Twister. Makes 36 cards. Then fill the deck with 24 slivers you like and add each other in power.
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1103009#msg1103009
« Reply #584 on: October 13, 2013, 08:25:54 am »
What have I done :/
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1103010#msg1103010
« Reply #585 on: October 13, 2013, 08:39:03 am »
What have I done :/

At least it's more interesting than the talk about dim shield nerfing :P where everything was said already in the last 500 posts.
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1103012#msg1103012
« Reply #586 on: October 13, 2013, 09:15:07 am »
What have I done :/

At least it's more interesting than the talk about dim shield nerfing :P where everything was said already in the last 500 posts.

Well, yeah..but one would assume that if you came to a "nerf Dim Shield" thread, you'd see chatter about nerfing Dim Shield; not MtG ._.
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Re: Dimensional Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1106811#msg1106811
« Reply #587 on: November 01, 2013, 01:27:18 pm »
It is funny that whenever the commonity has finally voted that Dimension Shield is fine as it is, new thread about nerfing it will pop out immediately.

ps. I have no idea what you guys are talking about but it clearly has nothing to do with dimensional shields :P but keep talking. It sounds more interesting :)

 

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