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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526229#msg526229
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2012, 01:22:01 pm »
1st post and is put to the test.
'draw hate against a card' i.e. draw the cards capable of destroying/bypassing dim shields.

A deck with 6 dim shields stands a good chance against many good decks.
And could you give an example of a 'good deck'?
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526473#msg526473
« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2012, 10:40:38 pm »
Well, 3 turns of block absolute is OP,
2 is acceptable, and it is so acceptable that so many they would use.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526477#msg526477
« Reply #74 on: July 27, 2012, 10:50:03 pm »
Well, 3 turns of block absolute is OP,
2 is acceptable, and it is so acceptable that so many they would use.
Why is it overpowered though? Just saying it is doesn't mean it is.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526627#msg526627
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2012, 03:00:09 am »
well, I have like 25k score, I play this game since it come out. I realy like the game and I realy have fun in PVP1. If you play a rusher deck, you cant play more than 2 or 3 PC, and if you play control, you have no way to deal with the inmortal creatures. I realy put effort and work in my pvp decks, but in every deck i have the same trouble: mono aether. If dim. shield was the only good card but the deck has a good clock, making it a race where the only factor is your PC draw vs his/her Dim shield draw plus the clock of the inmortal creatures. I never played the pvp oturnements (i read you need a certain amount of post, and Im not realy interested in posting). Anyway, thats my opinion.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526654#msg526654
« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2012, 04:24:21 am »
if you play control, you have no way to deal with the inmortal creatures.
Have you factored in shields or were you ignoring them?
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526668#msg526668
« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2012, 05:14:42 am »
Before the new shards, I would have agreed that there is an argument to be made about dim. shield spam being a bit cheap and maybe even OP, but with SoW, SoFo, SoV, and SoFr, PC and Shield bypass is available to any element. Psions even allow :aether to bypass its own shield
I will say that fighting a dim shield deck can be annoying if you lack PC or shield bypass capabilities, but I don't think nerfing the shield is the right response. I would say its pretty well balanced at this point.
While I grant that shards are not a great answer, since new players will have trouble accessing them, I think they're a step in the right direction.
The only elements that don't have effective counters right now seem to be:
:time , :life , and maybe :light . Everyone else has some form of direct damage, PC, or shield bypass to make up for it.
Lastly, as others note, a high speed rush or heavy quanta denial can shut it down.

If you still think its an issue, I think the best option would to propose / support a balanced card to help those elements deal with it.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526673#msg526673
« Reply #78 on: July 28, 2012, 05:41:57 am »

@edupro

I have close to 130k Score, and I don't think it needs to be nerfed, there are many shards that can pass through it, even if you have a mono deck,
maybe you need to go a little bit in the arena and try to get some,
Shards of Focus,
Shards of Freedom,
Shard of Wisdom,
Shard of readiness + Butterfly effect,
Shard of Void, Direct and Permanent damage  <--what else do you want.
many other cards.

maybe what you need is a good arena deck, not to nerf all the cards that annoy you.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526827#msg526827
« Reply #79 on: July 28, 2012, 01:18:10 pm »
its not like it annoy me, im just being realistic.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526828#msg526828
« Reply #80 on: July 28, 2012, 01:35:16 pm »
Okay, here is a challenge.  Use this against AI3:

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61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61v 620 620 620 620 620 620 622 622 8pr


Pay attention to the general win rate of the deck.  Realize why it gets a decent win rate is because of Dimensional Shield.  OP?  Yes.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526830#msg526830
« Reply #81 on: July 28, 2012, 01:45:11 pm »
6 pillars  ;D
DS is no problem as it is expensive and easy evadable. Just another permanent.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526835#msg526835
« Reply #82 on: July 28, 2012, 02:10:15 pm »
6 pillars  ;D
DS is no problem as it is expensive and easy evadable. Just another permanent.

But a lot of the time, the counters are sub optimal.  PC spells are limited and there are -always- more shields to play.  Pulverizaer and BE are expensive and weak to countering.  Momentum is lobotomizable.  Poison takes a while to build up, and often part of that comes from successful attacks.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg526838#msg526838
« Reply #83 on: July 28, 2012, 02:32:09 pm »
Okay, here is a challenge.  Use this against AI3:

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Pay attention to the general win rate of the deck.  Realize why it gets a decent win rate is because of Dimensional Shield.  OP?  Yes.
Way to quanta starved.
But for the fun of it, lets see what an ai3 would do against it with each individual deck.
Mono aether: Also has dime shields, and mind gates to take yours, probable loss.
Fire fly queen has bonds and hope, better hope this one gets off to a slow start.
Voodoo elder has dusk and butterfly effect to destroy your shields that you wasted quanta on.
Need i go on?
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