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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1014926#msg1014926
« Reply #204 on: November 12, 2012, 01:35:17 am »
I have another idea for nerfing dimensional shield. I think this one is even thematic!

While you are phased out, you should be unable to do damage with your weapon or use its abilities. That means that your lobotomizer can't be used on newly played creatures with momentum. In order to use it, you would have to break the shield chain for a turn.


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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1014943#msg1014943
« Reply #205 on: November 12, 2012, 02:32:06 am »
I have another idea for nerfing dimensional shield. I think this one is even thematic!

While you are phased out, you should be unable to do damage with your weapon or use its abilities. That means that your lobotomizer can't be used on newly played creatures with momentum. In order to use it, you would have to break the shield chain for a turn.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1014948#msg1014948
« Reply #206 on: November 12, 2012, 02:50:49 am »
just nert all card in element card then nobody ever complain again...lalalala

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1015238#msg1015238
« Reply #207 on: November 13, 2012, 12:51:02 am »
just nert all card in element card then nobody ever complain again...lalalala
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018148#msg1018148
« Reply #208 on: November 28, 2012, 12:10:37 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018152#msg1018152
« Reply #209 on: November 28, 2012, 12:21:38 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018198#msg1018198
« Reply #210 on: November 28, 2012, 02:50:13 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018205#msg1018205
« Reply #211 on: November 28, 2012, 03:18:07 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was informing skyironsword that the evidence that something is not necessarily balanced is not sufficient evidence for the claim that something is imbalanced.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018212#msg1018212
« Reply #212 on: November 28, 2012, 03:57:42 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
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Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was informing skyironsword that the evidence that something is not necessarily balanced is not sufficient evidence for the claim that something is imbalanced.
I quoted what I was agreeing with, then adding a counter example of skyiron's example that showed how skyiron's example could be used both ways in arguing that a card is OP.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018242#msg1018242
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2012, 04:55:57 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was informing skyironsword that the evidence that something is not necessarily balanced is not sufficient evidence for the claim that something is imbalanced.
I quoted what I was agreeing with, then adding a counter example of skyiron's example that showed how skyiron's example could be used both ways in arguing that a card is OP.
Then you might have misunderstood skyironsword. Many have claimed that since Dim Shield has counters then it must not be OP. He was reminding people that this is not necessarily true. A card can have counters and still be OP. Your example does not address this logic.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018244#msg1018244
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2012, 05:05:23 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was informing skyironsword that the evidence that something is not necessarily balanced is not sufficient evidence for the claim that something is imbalanced.
I quoted what I was agreeing with, then adding a counter example of skyiron's example that showed how skyiron's example could be used both ways in arguing that a card is OP.
Then you might have misunderstood skyironsword. Many have claimed that since Dim Shield has counters then it must not be OP. He was reminding people that this is not necessarily true. A card can have counters and still be OP. Your example does not address this logic.
Maybe my example isn't clear, but I would think it shows that a card can have counters and still be UP (as well as OP), meaning that a card's power is not fully determined by whether it has a counter.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg1018248#msg1018248
« Reply #215 on: November 28, 2012, 05:17:49 am »
this card so op all u have to do is spam it and if u dont have pc you lose  >< >< >< *ahem* Barring all nooby complaining, this card actually is kind of OP. Not every card with a counter is balanced. Sure, thunderstorm a SoFo fractal. Doesn't make it any less OP.
Your claim: This card is actually OP
Your evidence: The existence of a counter is not proof of balance

Please provide more evidence that supports your claim's likelihood rather than merely supports your claim's possibility.
Agreed. Fire shield counters Photon. Doesn't make photon any less UP XD (Ray of Light is good though).
I don't know why you are quoting me. I was informing skyironsword that the evidence that something is not necessarily balanced is not sufficient evidence for the claim that something is imbalanced.
I quoted what I was agreeing with, then adding a counter example of skyiron's example that showed how skyiron's example could be used both ways in arguing that a card is OP.
Then you might have misunderstood skyironsword. Many have claimed that since Dim Shield has counters then it must not be OP. He was reminding people that this is not necessarily true. A card can have counters and still be OP. Your example does not address this logic.
Maybe my example isn't clear, but I would think it shows that a card can have counters and still be UP (as well as OP), meaning that a card's power is not fully determined by whether it has a counter.
Thus you were repeating what skyironsword said. Agreeing with someone is not an effective way of making a counterexample.
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