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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523802#msg523802
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2012, 12:08:01 am »
the upgraded version could have other effect chosen by vote

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523804#msg523804
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2012, 12:09:13 am »
adding a bit more quanta cost
upgrading it would give immataria
"Give it immaterial when upgraded!" <-- That's what I understood, at least. Although that wouldn't be a nerf -at all-..

But caham.

Dim Shield may seem op but it actually isn't. There are many-a-ways to counter it which include, but are not limited to

Pulverizer
Deflagration
Butterfly Effect
Steal (Yush!)
Momentum
Direct Damage (as in spell dmg)
Psions
Decking out your opponent
To a lesser extent using Silence to stop the dimshield chain
Draining your opponent quanta (it is kinda costly, and aether is pretty costly as a whole.)

PS: I see where you're going with the 4 turn of protection thing, but it's useless 'cause he wouldn't be taking dmg in the same turn he uses the shield on.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523805#msg523805
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2012, 12:13:10 am »
no not just add immatarial
more quanta cost as well
immatarial would only be on upgraded version

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523806#msg523806
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2012, 12:13:35 am »
adding a bit more quanta cost
upgrading it would give immataria
"Give it immaterial when upgraded!" <-- That's what I understood, at least. Although that wouldn't be a nerf -at all-..

But caham.

Dim Shield may seem op but it actually isn't. There are many-a-ways to counter it which include, but are not limited to

Pulverizer
Deflagration
Butterfly Effect
Steal (Yush!)
Momentum
Direct Damage (as in spell dmg)
Psions
Decking out your opponent
To a lesser extent using Silence to stop the dimshield chain
Draining your opponent quanta (it is kinda costly, and aether is pretty costly as a whole.)

PS: I see where you're going with the 4 turn of protection thing, but it's useless 'cause he wouldn't be taking dmg in the same turn he uses the shield on.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523807#msg523807
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2012, 12:14:59 am »
A nerf is only needed if there are a lack of counters for a card in the current metagame, so that it "overruns" the majority of decks, cards, and/or strategies out there.  Considering that there are SO MANY ways to deal with dims, I don't think dimsneed to be nerfed at all.  Yeah, they have the potential to be annoying, but also consider the fact that ONE deflag, steal, etc. can let you OTK for the win, rendering 30-36 quanta's worth of stalling in a deck useless.

Also, on another note, there are many members of the community who support other forms of in-element PC.  This would indirectly nerf dim shields as well.

...also, giving it immaterial would be a buff...
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523809#msg523809
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2012, 12:20:47 am »
yes it would be a, but for upgraded version. therfore making it worth upgrading so less people would use it unupgraded due to more quanta
cost. but i do see your point

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523811#msg523811
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2012, 12:21:36 am »
yes it would be a, but for upgraded version. therfore making it worth upgrading so less people would use it unupgraded due to more quanta
cost. but i do see your point
Upgraded is already 17% cheaper than unupgraded.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523813#msg523813
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2012, 12:23:10 am »
not if you nerf it for more quanta cost.

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523814#msg523814
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2012, 12:29:29 am »
dim sheild unupped and upped nerfed

unupped-qaunta cost:8  effect-protect from physical damage for 3 turns

upped- qaunta:8   effect-protect from phyisical damage for 3 turns immatarial

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523815#msg523815
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2012, 12:31:36 am »
immaterial would be a huge buff no matter what, imo.
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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523816#msg523816
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2012, 12:34:56 am »
ive seen some tournys from youtube and trust me i dont have any upgraded cards
i would loose first round i dont want in the tourny

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Re: dimension sheild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42134.msg523818#msg523818
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2012, 12:35:31 am »
i gave my opionon on wich cards should be nerfed and how thats how all nerf this card posts are
they arnt based on facts thats for sure
Quite the opposite actually. Nerfs are based on facts and blatantly overpowered cards, not opinion.
ive seen some tournys from youtube and trust me i dont have any upgraded cards
i would loose first round i dont want in the tourny

And most tourneys are unupped.
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