[Official] Cloak | Cloak

[Alchemist]

First of all cloak is balanced card that needs no nerfing as a single card. It's cost and it's effect are ok by me. But the critique goes to the fact that it's a darkness card. If you use imagination and give that card different name and art, you might see that it could fit perfectly in many other elements. For instance, call it "mimicry" and its a life card, call it "sand cloud" and it's an earth card, etc. Darkness's best trait is stealing - stealing everything: life, quanta and permanents. So it is destructive force thats also empowered by healing. I like darkness, don't get me wrong. And I usually don't have problems vs darkness in arena, so I'm not complaining here, and I can't remember that Cloak owned me except vs Jezebel. That card isn't big threat when darkness plays it, but the problem is that many other elements need it much more than Darkness, and that Cloak would fit better in some other Element. Cause when an element has CC,PC,healing and denial, does it really need a perma/creature protection as well? If you look some other elements, you will see that they lack most of desired traits/abilities, and that Darkness has them all (almost all). So removing Cloak from Darkness arsenal and giving it to some other element would not UP Darkness that much, but would bring more balance in game. And it would probably get used more offten. So - this is also a buff proposal in a way.

[freemod1espilon]

  is also about deception and trickery not just stealing you should use it and you'll learn that it is perfectly suited to be 

[pulli23]

is also about deception and trickery not just stealing you should use it and you'll learn that it is perfectly suited to be 

Funny that one of the best counters vs a dark (steal) is a dark card ><

[freemod1espilon]

is also about deception and trickery not just stealing you should use it and you'll learn that it is perfectly suited to be 

Funny that one of the best counters vs a dark (steal) is a dark card ><

steal is one of the best counter versus any perm heavy deck plus its like a giant middle finger if you steal the right card

[Alchemist]

is also about deception and trickery not just stealing you should use it and you'll learn that it is perfectly suited to be 

"perfectly suited to be  " why? Because there's a "dark cloak" picture on it? Or cause it gives darkness protection. Darkness has nothing to do with protection. It's like giving steal to earth, or mutation to Light. And one could also thematically make it fit elsewhere.  I agree that Cloak thematically fits into  , but you could thematically transfer it into any other Element as well. The thing is that each element should have the same range of ability. And darkness has more cards than any other element, and has every aspect covered. It has LS, denial, PC, CC and, protection, both for permanents and for creatures. I don't get that part. Anyway, darkness usually doesn't even need to use Cloak in many situations, but some other elements with much lower range of abilities could be supplemented with perma/creature protection. Or lets say you're right, Cloak is "perfectly suited to be  ". Than I will ask you this - what ability would you take away from darkness than and give it to some another element? Lifesteal, denial, steal? Which one?

[freemod1espilon]

I would give Parasite/Bloodsucker to  which Thematically fits death because it infects other cards and kills them

[Poker Alho]

you are discussing something that depending on everyone's perspective, will seem either right or wrong... its useless to argue with this, better make a poll and see how people see the card as it is

[freemod1espilon]

He's right make a poll make a poll make a poll etc.

[Arum]

NAME: Sandstorm ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Hide your field from your opponent for as long as you have . Absorbs each turn.	NAME: Sandstorm ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Hide your field from your opponent for as long as you have . Absorbs each turn.

[Alchemist]

you are discussing something that depending on everyone's perspective, will seem either right or wrong... its useless to argue with this, better make a poll and see how people see the card as it is

Opinions and perspectives usually lack mathematical insight, and balance considerations. It's one thing what I think, and the other thing is what will equation give me. And balance in game is equation thing. So I wouldn't just let democracy decide what's the result of equation. University professor told us about a  case in some mid west American state in which politicians voted than number pi (=3.14159......) should be equal 3, cause 3 is easier to work with. (that couldn't stand for long ofc). See my point? so, yes, this should be discussed, not just voted.

[Alchemist]

Spoiler for Hidden:

NAME: Sandstorm ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Hide your field from your opponent for as long as you have . Absorbs each turn.	NAME: Sandstorm ELEMENT: Earth COST: 5 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Hide your field from your opponent for as long as you have . Absorbs each turn.

I get the point of air apsorption - if it gets stolen it (most probably) becomes useless to opponent. It does apsorb too much air though, so it's UP this way. Cost and apsorption-cost might undergo discussion, as the choice of elements it uses. And I wouldn't reduce vulnerability to mass effects though (like the Cloak has). That way it can be countered by PC, mass effects, and by quantum drain, so I don't see OP in it. Generally idea is good and goes to right direction.

[Poker Alho]

you are discussing something that depending on everyone's perspective, will seem either right or wrong... its useless to argue with this, better make a poll and see how people see the card as it is

Opinions and perspectives usually lack mathematical insight, and balance considerations. It's one thing what I think, and the other thing is what will equation give me. And balance in game is equation thing. So I wouldn't just let democracy decide what's the result of equation. University professor told us about a  case in some mid west American state in which politicians voted than number pi (=3.14159......) should be equal 3, cause 3 is easier to work with. (that couldn't stand for long ofc). See my point? so, yes, this should be discussed, not just voted.

that mathematical insight you speak of was already done a long time ago, when zanzs and the whole community were trying to balance this card for its cost/effect and also its theme. No further balance is needed, so the only thing that really is to discuss is its theme, a matter on which i actually agree it should stay a  card only and the opinion on that matter is not based on some mathematical balance but flavour instead.