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[Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg229767#msg229767
« on: December 21, 2010, 02:03:55 am »


I feel the fog shield deserves a nerf. Compare it to the Dusk Mantle: Fog: 40% Block, 2 Air to play. Dusk: 50% Block, 6 Darkness to play.
It's 4 Quantna cheaper to block 1 extra point of damage for every 10 damage your opponent does. I feel it should either:
A) Cost 3 (2 For Upgrade)
B) Cost 4 (3 For Upgrade)
C) Redce Blocking Chance to 33% (1 in 3)
D) Other (Please Specify)
E) It's Dusk Mantle that's the problem! Reduce It's cost or increase it's blocking chance

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Re: Fog Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg229771#msg229771
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 02:06:28 am »
... I messed up and posted this twice. Is a thread merge possible? I thought you had to post the thread first and then make the poll. Sorry

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Re: Fog Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg229773#msg229773
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 02:07:25 am »
but also think about the elements each card is in and the cards already in that element.
I think fog shield is good as is.

Re: Fog Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg229956#msg229956
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 06:55:08 am »
... I messed up and posted this twice. Is a thread merge possible? I thought you had to post the thread first and then make the poll. Sorry
No problem, I'm just going to lock this topic, and leave the one with the poll, so we don't get the same posts twice in a thread, and to avoid confusion.

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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1201537#msg1201537
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2015, 03:00:45 pm »
A + C, since its block the weapon too.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1201542#msg1201542
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 03:46:03 pm »
A + C, since its block the weapon too.
Don't we have another fog shield thread? I could swear we did.

But anyways, bumping fog down to 33% is a terrible idea. It was one of the worst shields when it was that low before. Don't make a decent shield terrible. Fog isn't even that bad.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224783#msg1224783
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2016, 06:06:39 pm »
I think this is a fine nerf - the card is going to be used for the same purpose anyway. I'm not sure if Air needs this as a stronger defense - but I don't think so. This nerf seems fine to me.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224803#msg1224803
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2016, 07:33:31 pm »
In my opinion, E is the correct choice.

This one isn't too bad, considering it's 2/5 chance. If you are lucky, it will block all the heavy hitters as part of that 2/5 chance.

Dusk, on the other hand, is 6 quanta for a 1/2 chance. 4 quanta for an extra 10%? That is vastly underpowered, especially with the large chance of RNG screwing you over.

The closest shield in nature is Procrastination, which reduces damage by 50% and blocks the use of abilities, and it is guaranteed provided that the creature has at least one attack. Funnily enough, that shield costs 6 :time.

My suggestion; leave fog shield, or if absolutely necessary, up the cost by one. Dusk should be reduced by two on both, and Procrastination is fine as is.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224804#msg1224804
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2016, 07:46:03 pm »
+ 1 cost to fog would be great, as it would delay it a bit in novabows and mono air wouldn't really care.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224805#msg1224805
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2016, 08:00:18 pm »
+ 1 cost to fog would be great, as it would delay it a bit in novabows and mono air wouldn't really care.

This. Fog's problem is its splashability in anything that contains Nova. Just a raise by 1 wouldn't make it weak in any way, and would likely still be used in upped Nova-Bows (probably even unupped).

About the shield comparisments: I don't think all shields have to be perfectly balanced to each other. Every element has its strengths and weaknesses, and an overall good element like Darkness (great weapon, any form of denial, CC, good hitters in unupped and upped, and PC) can afford having its shield a bit more expensive. And still: In longer matches, you will notice the difference of 10%.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224902#msg1224902
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 09:36:19 am »
That's odd. I've never heard of anyone else saying that Dusk is underpowered. Cost and effect shouldn't scale linearly, since they both eat 1 card slot.

Procrastination -always- lets the first hit in which makes it a bit weaker in terms of reducing actual damage, and it doesn't affect weapons. Games don't always end in an even number of turns, especially with the effect of procrastination, which influences the game to end according to its tempo*.

Agreed that the best way to balance Fog is to raise cost by 1.
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Re: [Official] Fog Shield | Improved Fog https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18030.msg1224903#msg1224903
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2016, 10:25:45 am »
+ 1 cost to fog would be great, as it would delay it a bit in novabows and mono air wouldn't really care.
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