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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg502753#msg502753
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 05:29:08 pm »
The main problem with this is that compared to warden, it has much better control abilities. 3|4 turn delay without delaying itself for only 2 :water.

It has better CC at the cost of its survivability. The warden's ability shines only when it gets an attack boost. Pretty balanced with respect to each other IMO.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531860#msg531860
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2012, 07:36:22 am »
It is perfect as it is.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531862#msg531862
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2012, 07:44:54 am »
Remember this is a RARE card. So it is balanced.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531863#msg531863
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2012, 07:47:10 am »
Remember this is a RARE card. So it is balanced.

Rarity has nothing to do with balance.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531869#msg531869
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2012, 08:06:31 am »
Remember this is a RARE card. So it is balanced.

Rarity has nothing to do with balance.

While I normally hate echoing, this opinion has been going around far too much lately.  Rarity and Balance are (should be) completely unrelated.  If an OP card is rare, that doesn't excuse its OPness.  If an UP card is rare, that does not excuse its UPness.

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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531876#msg531876
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2012, 08:22:16 am »
Alright, true. But remember freeze only requires 1  :water but this card requires 2 :water to freeze. While this may be activated every turn, the skill cost is more than the actual card itself.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531885#msg531885
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2012, 09:11:29 am »
Notice the 2 hps.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531937#msg531937
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2012, 01:05:26 pm »
Well if there's going to be an actual discussion rather than a single post, might as well add to the chain here.

Where I'm standing, I say that the squids/octopuses are way too OP. They only cost 3 water, and with another 2 you can freeze a creature for 3(4 if upped) turns! So If you're running a deck with no quints/immaterial creatures or Chaos Seed or Mutation or Fallen Elf or Otyugh or Gravity Pull or Acceleration or Basilisk Blood or Iridium Warden or Auburn Nymph or Thorn Carapace or Adrenaline or Fire Bolt or Fire Shield or Rain of Fire or Red Nymph or Freeze or Ice Bolt or Arctic Squid or Toadfish or Mind Flayer or Owl's Eye or Shockwave or Procrastination or Reverse Time or Eternity or Parasite or Drain Life or Lightning or Lobotomizer, one squid can completely ruin your deck by nullifying your damage AND skills, because of the 3 turn freeze, it can take total control over 3 of your cards. But seeing as it's so OP, most people(and AI) have more than 1, sometimes all 6! Lets say you have 3 of them out, 3x3=9 creatures frozen! I just want it to be balanced a bit more and maybe have it cost more or have it freeze for 1 turn.



Fixed.

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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531973#msg531973
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2012, 03:16:31 pm »
Alright, true. But remember freeze only requires 1  :water but this card requires 2 :water to freeze. While this may be activated every turn, the skill cost is more than the actual card itself.
You can pack 6 freezes in a deck max. A squid that doesn't die can cast infinite freezes. Of course it should cost more.

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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531982#msg531982
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2012, 03:29:20 pm »
Alright, true. But remember freeze only requires 1  :water but this card requires 2 :water to freeze. While this may be activated every turn, the skill cost is more than the actual card itself.
You can pack 6 freezes in a deck max. A squid that doesn't die can cast infinite freezes. Of course it should cost more.
It's perfectly balanced for me. It's powerful, but that's why it's SO fragile.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531988#msg531988
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2012, 03:53:57 pm »
The only thing I find unfair is the fact of the creature frozen
thaw the opponent's turn, no leaving at least a chance to attack after thawing.
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Re: Arctic Squid/Octopus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17073.msg531989#msg531989
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2012, 03:57:17 pm »
The only thing I find unfair is the fact of the creature frozen
thaw the opponent's turn, no leaving at least a chance to attack after thawing.

On the other side of the coin, creatures attack at the end of the opponent's turn, so when creatures are played, you have no chance to freeze them before they deal some damage to you.

 

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