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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086704#msg1086704
« Reply #1620 on: July 13, 2013, 11:59:20 am »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086706#msg1086706
« Reply #1621 on: July 13, 2013, 12:04:32 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086709#msg1086709
« Reply #1622 on: July 13, 2013, 12:13:52 pm »
Eu não pude participar porque Laxa e Onizuka me suspenderam, mas alguns decks que usaria seriam esses

immorush vs devtal
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stall (poderoso suficiente para bloquear ninfas de ar ou agua)
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086711#msg1086711
« Reply #1623 on: July 13, 2013, 12:33:20 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086712#msg1086712
« Reply #1624 on: July 13, 2013, 12:37:31 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
O que você "proteger artefato"? Ninfa rainha tem 6 saúde, então você precisa de pelo menos dois relâmpagos para cada ninfa que não vai funcionar, porque ele pode fazer outra Ninfa antes de matar o primeiro.
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086714#msg1086714
« Reply #1625 on: July 13, 2013, 12:45:52 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
O que você "proteger artefato"? Ninfa rainha tem 6 saúde, então você precisa de pelo menos dois relâmpagos para cada ninfa que não vai funcionar, porque ele pode fazer outra Ninfa antes de matar o primeiro.

Protect artifact nos pilares do oponente pra rainha não ter o que transformar.
Beef --> ( "Protect Artifact" the pillars of the opponent to Queen not target. )
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086715#msg1086715
« Reply #1626 on: July 13, 2013, 12:46:04 pm »
fractal scarab também seria bom
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086716#msg1086716
« Reply #1627 on: July 13, 2013, 12:56:38 pm »
fractal scarab também seria bom
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Sei não em vangelios. Qualquer deck que não ganha de Stall não me parece boa opção. O Dragonsdemesna fez 5-1 de stall, e o dele vai 6 Dry spell, mais um quilo de matadores de baixa resistencia, não sobraria nenhum scarab pra contar historia. Supondo que quem contralasse seu scarab swarm ae manjasse das putarias, o esquema seria baixar um scarab e dar o fractal como ultima carta da mão, de preferencia, dae seriam 9 scarabs no field. Dae era soh o Dragonsmesme frita um deles, que a Ninfa light de resistencia 9 já nao morreria. Talvez os lighining ajudassem nisso, só nao pode esquecer que o fractal do Mesne pode encher o lado dele de scarabs tbm, e ele queimando alguns seus, já era, seria canibalismo puro. No meu ponto de vista os dois decks mais fortes foram esse stall do mesne e o ninfa queen do calindu, então se nao ganha de stall, sem chance, até pq com certeza o dele nao foi o unico.
Já no caso das ninfas queen, não sei como era a lista dele. Posso supor que forrado de quantuns tower, alguns dry spell contra devtall e as ninfas em si. Se for assim, alguns decks de CC tinha chance, pois bastava fritar as ninfas.

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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086718#msg1086718
« Reply #1628 on: July 13, 2013, 12:59:40 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
O que você "proteger artefato"? Ninfa rainha tem 6 saúde, então você precisa de pelo menos dois relâmpagos para cada ninfa que não vai funcionar, porque ele pode fazer outra Ninfa antes de matar o primeiro.

Protect artifact nos pilares do oponente pra rainha não ter o que transformar.
Beef --> ( "Protect Artifact" the pillars of the opponent to Queen not target. )
Oooooh, que faz muito sentido xD
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086725#msg1086725
« Reply #1629 on: July 13, 2013, 01:21:01 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
O que você "proteger artefato"? Ninfa rainha tem 6 saúde, então você precisa de pelo menos dois relâmpagos para cada ninfa que não vai funcionar, porque ele pode fazer outra Ninfa antes de matar o primeiro.

O washington já explicou qual é o truque (outros parecidos são dar quintessence em um ghost quando o oponente ta usando ghostmare ou na criatura que você sabe que ele vai dar fractal. Troll puro :) )
Eu tinha esquecido dos 6 de vida, talvez um counter bom contra os 2 decks do Calindu fosse:

Mark of Light
Stone Pillar
Earth Nymph
Protect Artifact
Reflective Shield

se pudesse usar Sanctuary dava pra dar counter em devtal ...

Mas esse deck também usa ninfas (não sei se o Basilisc Blood segura sozinho)
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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086729#msg1086729
« Reply #1630 on: July 13, 2013, 01:38:55 pm »
Batendo o olho nas cartas 2 que me chamaram a atenção foram Nymph Queen (nymph rush sem tears ficou intocado pelos bans, desde que vc colocasse dry spell pra dar counter em devtal) e Air Nymph, pq ela é resistente e não tinha PC nenhum no meta. Só que eu não tenho nenhum Queen e só 2 de ar. E washington, sem PC miracle não faz nada contra essa estratégia. É só segurar os Unstable Gases e soltar tudo de uma vez. O único counter no meta inteiro era o Reflective Shield.
Calindu correu uma ninfa Rainha corrida e é isso que ele venceu o torneio. Ambos Marsu e eu estávamos muito chateado, mas quase não havia maneira de vencer esse deck ..

Dava pra vencer Nymph Queen com Protect Artifact + Lightning, mas exige um certo nível de paranóia pra querer usar isso :P
O que você "proteger artefato"? Ninfa rainha tem 6 saúde, então você precisa de pelo menos dois relâmpagos para cada ninfa que não vai funcionar, porque ele pode fazer outra Ninfa antes de matar o primeiro.

O washington já explicou qual é o truque (outros parecidos são dar quintessence em um ghost quando o oponente ta usando ghostmare ou na criatura que você sabe que ele vai dar fractal. Troll puro :) )
Eu tinha esquecido dos 6 de vida, talvez um counter bom contra os 2 decks do Calindu fosse:

Mark of Light
Stone Pillar
Earth Nymph
Protect Artifact
Reflective Shield

se pudesse usar Sanctuary dava pra dar counter em devtal ...

Mas esse deck também usa ninfas (não sei se o Basilisc Blood segura sozinho)

Bom, usar protect artifact num ambiente que nao tem PC é bem estranho, teria que ser exclusivamente contra alguem que certamente iria usar as ninfas. Fiz vários testes aqui, e o Stall do Dragonsmesne vence fácil o deck de ninfas queen, bastaria que não falhassem os draws de kills.

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Re: Brasil-sil-sil https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3501.msg1086739#msg1086739
« Reply #1631 on: July 13, 2013, 02:48:26 pm »
Sim, aquele stall tava muito bom.
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