Metamorphosis - Short break to discuss issues (Please help discuss).

[Onizuka]

In my opinion, these are the best changes to the rules:

1) If you lose your match, you are allowed to revert your deck back to the way it started for the round. If you lose the match 0-3, you may remake your deck, excluding the cards you made your previous deck with 9 (excluding marks, pillars, and pends)
2) If you are the recipient of a bye, you have a random mark completed (Including the one you are currently on).
3) If you face an opponent that has been given a bye, you are allowed to remake your deck, keeping your currently designated mark.

[The_Mormegil]

In my opinion, these are the best changes to the rules:

1) If you lose your match, you are allowed to revert your deck back to the way it started for the round. If you lose the match 0-3, you may remake your deck, excluding the cards you made your previous deck with 9 (excluding marks, pillars, and pends)
2) If you are the recipient of a bye, you have a random mark completed (Including the one you are currently on).
3) If you face an opponent that has been given a bye, you are allowed to remake your deck, keeping your currently designated mark.

+1 to this

[Kakerlake]

1) If you lose your match, you are allowed to revert your deck back to the way it started for the round. If you lose the match 0-3, you may remake your deck, excluding the cards you made your previous deck with 9 (excluding marks, pillars, and pends)

Sounds good though I'd go a different way here.
If you lose 3-0, either you got countered or your deck simply fails. If you got countered, there is no need to change your deck anyway, maybe your deck is a counter to the next opponent? But if your deck fails, I'd say it is allowed to go back to any completed mark and build any deck there. You will lose one round since you have to re-complete your mark, that's the penalty for building a fail deck. With this rule, you don't need to play that fail deck, but are able to keep playing with a previously finished mark.
You will have to build your new deck before the matchups are set (maybe ask the organizer for a little additional time here).

2) If you are the recipient of a bye, you have a random mark completed (Including the one you are currently on).

Well, what happens when you randomly finish the mark you are currently on forces you to use another mark, so your deck becomes unplayable?
I'd still say that a bye reciever gets a ranom mark completed, excluding the one currently on. If the current mark is the last one to be completed, you won't get it completed, except someone else completed all marks in a totally legal way, so they can have a match to decide the champion.

3) If you face an opponent that has been given a bye, you are allowed to remake your deck, keeping your currently designated mark.

This might be a problem.
When matchups are set and you see who your opponent is you can simply build a counter to that deck. Making it impossible for someone who got a bye to win next round.

[The_Mormegil]

Sounds good though I'd go a different way here.
If you lose 3-0, either you got countered or your deck simply fails. If you got countered, there is no need to change your deck anyway, maybe your deck is a counter to the next opponent? But if your deck fails, I'd say it is allowed to go back to any completed mark and build any deck there. You will lose one round since you have to re-complete your mark, that's the penalty for building a fail deck. With this rule, you don't need to play that fail deck, but are able to keep playing with a previously finished mark.
You will have to build your new deck before the matchups are set (maybe ask the organizer for a little additional time here).

Well, not that much of a difference there, it's just a matter of preferences.

Well, what happens when you randomly finish the mark you are currently on forces you to use another mark, so your deck becomes unplayable?
I'd still say that a bye reciever gets a ranom mark completed, excluding the one currently on. If the current mark is the last one to be completed, you won't get it completed, except someone else completed all marks in a totally legal way, so they can have a match to decide the champion.

I can agree on this.

This might be a problem.
When matchups are set and you see who your opponent is you can simply build a counter to that deck. Making it impossible for someone who got a bye to win next round.

This on the other hand... No. Because your opponent got a bye, and can change deck.

[Kakerlake]

This might be a problem.
When matchups are set and you see who your opponent is you can simply build a counter to that deck. Making it impossible for someone who got a bye to win next round.

This on the other hand... No. Because your opponent got a bye, and can change deck.

I'm actually against that deck changing when recieving a bye.
If you get a bye, I'd prefer to get one random mark done for free but keeping your current deck.

[DevilLoss]

i agree with kaker u should continue to use the mark and deck you have not be allowed to change decks and makrs completly cause you were able to get a freebie on ur current mark its not right. also it makes it unfair to your opponent because then if you lose 3-0 you can then revert to a diffrent deck and abuse the system.
right now i say the best thing is if there a complete fail deck likw the guy who built the earth darkness and has earth mark and earth pends he should beable to switch around 2 card cells to make his deck playable.
the other thing is if you do lose 3-0 to complete failure decks then you should be allowed to remake your deck but you have to post the remake of your deck on the battle thread as to not give you and advantage agaisnt your opponent in the next battle.

[Onizuka]

Sounds good though I'd go a different way here.
If you lose 3-0, either you got countered or your deck simply fails. If you got countered, there is no need to change your deck anyway, maybe your deck is a counter to the next opponent? But if your deck fails, I'd say it is allowed to go back to any completed mark and build any deck there. You will lose one round since you have to re-complete your mark, that's the penalty for building a fail deck. With this rule, you don't need to play that fail deck, but are able to keep playing with a previously finished mark.
You will have to build your new deck before the matchups are set (maybe ask the organizer for a little additional time here).

What about the first round? People who built horrible decks first round have to suicide against new opponents until they manage to somehow win?

Well, what happens when you randomly finish the mark you are currently on forces you to use another mark, so your deck becomes unplayable?
I'd still say that a bye reciever gets a ranom mark completed, excluding the one currently on. If the current mark is the last one to be completed, you won't get it completed, except someone else completed all marks in a totally legal way, so they can have a match to decide the champion.

If the mark that they were scheduled to complete is the one that is randomly chosen, then they would be starting with a new deck, the same thing that would happen if they had actually had the match. The only thing that changes is either they get to choose their next mark or their next mark would be randomly chosen. But I do agree with you on the fact about someone getting byes just waltzing to the final match.

This might be a problem.
When matchups are set and you see who your opponent is you can simply build a counter to that deck. Making it impossible for someone who got a bye to win next round.

I should have explained this one better. With the system I described(random mark completed), we do not need to have short intermissions between each round for people to post new decks. The people with the bye would not have to post their starting deck for next round, they would just start with a new one. The person who played his/her match would be able to change their deck. Thus neither side gets countered, and neither side has the advantage during the fight.

[EvaRia]

I'm currently favouring this:

Mercy: If you lose 3-0 you are allowed to go back one mark in the timeline and remake your deck. If you are on your first mark, you may go back to the deck you started the round with. You must post that you are using this rule at the end of your battle results topic, and the end deck you are using.

Byes: If you receive a bye you will complete a random mark.

Matchups: Matchups will be Swiss.


Thanks for speaking your opinion, I will have Round 2 up by tomorrow.

[Indrejue]

great just not Swiss must be completely random.

[RootRanger]

great just not Swiss must be completely random.

Why random? So we can have five people reach six marks at the same time?
Swiss would prevent that; random would not.

[bucky1andonly]

1) The rule that says the overall loser is reset back to what they had originally, just remove that altogether.  Which helps with the next change.

2) Where the winner must change 2 cells, the loser gets to change 1.

This not only helps in counter prevention, but would add more of a challenge overall to both players.  That rule about the loser being reset would be too rough.  They can continue morphing their deck throughout their entire competition without ever winning, but they have to keep the same mark. 

[Spiraler]

Why random? So we can have five people reach six marks at the same time?
Swiss would prevent that; random would not.

Yes swiss would prevent that, but one mistake and you lose the event. It would only be four rounds (16 players on each alignment) to have one person with more marks completed than anyone else, but still not all 6. They would have nobody to play against, and not all marks completed. It also states in the rules that if more than one player completes all 6 marks at the same time, they would duel it out to be champion.