Post by: majofa on March 02, 2011, 05:46:31 am
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
Post by: icecoldbro on March 02, 2011, 05:54:39 am
You could splash in a bit of fire to kill him faster (Turtle shield is annoying) but Mono-Aether should have no prob vs him/her.
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Post by: Jappert on March 02, 2011, 10:12:08 am
Something like:
- Spine carapace/Gravity Shield
- Eternity
- SoG's + Sanctuary
- Stone Towers + Stoneskins
- Some quinted creature, possibly with butterfly
- A creature to rewind
If all goes according to plan his crusaders should die to spines before the damage get's to high to outdamage SoG's/Sanc. Gravity Shield is an option aswell to just lock him down.
Seems pretty easy to just survive and deck him out really, so the stoneskins might just be slowing me down, going to test before posting a deck.
Post by: Jappert on March 02, 2011, 10:31:46 am
As far as I can tell, this prety much has a 95% win + EM rate. EC will quint all his creatures so he won't be able to rewind anything once he dives under 5 cards. The only thing that can beat this deck is when he stops quinting creatures.
Keep the RoL to rewind obviously. Only thing that can hit you will be his weapon slot eternity and his scarabs (when less then 6). The game will take long, but when you have EC as your predicted next FG, a 95% EM deck is always nice :D
Btw, the idea came from MrBlonde originally. I will keep testing to see if it can lose.
Result:
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2061/ecwin.jpg)
Post by: primarycolors on March 03, 2011, 01:45:42 pm
Post by: Dogg on March 03, 2011, 06:20:08 pm
Post by: icecoldbro on March 04, 2011, 11:32:11 pm
Anyways, beat him easily with this deck today
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Post by: lava golem on March 05, 2011, 12:34:44 am
Post by: ddevans96 on March 05, 2011, 12:35:03 am
Isn't it Eternal crusader? but anyways, he's really really easy to beat with RoL/Hope if you just get an early lobotomizer out, even with unupped RoL/Hope (with upped RoLs)His name got changed.
Post by: bruce 1337 on March 07, 2011, 08:27:27 pm
Sorry for the double post, but I thought this deserved a new post:
As far as I can tell, this prety much has a 95% win + EM rate. EC will quint all his creatures so he won't be able to rewind anything once he dives under 5 cards. The only thing that can beat this deck is when he stops quinting creatures.
Keep the RoL to rewind obviously. Only thing that can hit you will be his weapon slot eternity and his scarabs (when less then 6). The game will take long, but when you have EC as your predicted next FG, a 95% EM deck is always nice :D
Btw, the idea came from MrBlonde originally. I will keep testing to see if it can lose.
Result:
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2061/ecwin.jpg)
This deck works great, used similar with unupped pendulums, and full victory of course :) game wasnt as long as i thought becouse he used his hourglasses like a crazy and i didnt need to rewind photon
Heres the result:
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(http://i55.tinypic.com/2q2fntw.png)No card this time but still em with 200 hp is good:)
Post by: jmdt on March 21, 2011, 08:26:31 pm
Post by: YawnChainHow on March 22, 2011, 04:03:19 am
(http://i.imgur.com/l5hl9.png)The deck I used was
Jappert's deck should work just fine, and probably better than mine, though I would say -1 Eternity +1 Rewind can't hurt.
Post by: bobyinhell on March 22, 2011, 07:56:43 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on April 03, 2011, 01:01:39 pm
Post by: Chodos on April 06, 2011, 04:41:14 am
Post by: Tea is good on April 13, 2011, 01:19:39 pm
Post by: EvaRia on April 13, 2011, 03:07:21 pm
Post by: majofa on April 13, 2011, 08:42:01 pm
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Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on April 13, 2011, 09:40:03 pm
Jappert's deck + more HP = more :electrumWould this work with only the shards upgraded?Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 749 749 749 749 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 7jp 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q4 7q8
Post by: majofa on April 13, 2011, 11:28:03 pm
Post by: Ryli on April 13, 2011, 11:58:03 pm
Post by: the dictator on April 14, 2011, 01:12:57 pm
Used this version of the deck in the OP, guess what happened:
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Where are my shields??
Post by: Chodos on April 14, 2011, 02:34:27 pm
Works great!
Post by: primarycolors on April 24, 2011, 03:50:16 am
How would a firebolt OTK match up? (The unnupped deck that is used against Miracle, Elidnis, etc)It works quite fine; just remember to pull the Reflective Shield.
Post by: automeris on May 01, 2011, 02:12:36 pm
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Used this version of the deck in the OP, guess what happened:
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Where are my shields??
Why not put 6 shields and 6 shards in this deck? There is NO other card in the deck that you care if you get before you are to the point of rewinding, so no real reason to worry about a larger deck getting a bad draw. The ONLY bad draw is no shield or no shards.
Post by: manaboy100 on May 04, 2011, 08:05:04 am
By the time I have everything set up in the field, he has decked out xD So no EM?
EDITEDIT :D :
Oracle told me to fight him again, and I won, with an EM. But it seems that Lionheart won't deckout that fast today, so I need to be extra careful and keep my deck loaded with photon for a while. He was extra careful at his last 10 cards and keep discarding a card a turn, so he won't deck out as fast as yesterday, AI improvement?
I really recommend the 3rd deck for newbies, it's really cheap and counters Lionheart really well. Seriously. Just remember, don't deck yourself out and hold drain lifes for finishing:D
Post by: az4rel on May 06, 2011, 06:25:13 pm
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works too without the sogs i added a shield and a eternity but a momentum and a scorp should work too.
Post by: yee on May 24, 2011, 04:23:31 pm
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Post by: Five In One on May 25, 2011, 09:20:25 pm
Unfortunately, the only source of damage I have is an Eternity at this point, and he has 116 HP left... *sigh*
Post by: majofa on May 25, 2011, 09:28:23 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 25, 2011, 09:37:29 pm
Well, Lionheart did something I never thought was possible: he DIDN'T deck himself out! (Curse you Anubis-eating Scarabs!)For situations like this, the Eternity's effect may prove helpful ;)
Unfortunately, the only source of damage I have is an Eternity at this point, and he has 116 HP left... *sigh*
Post by: YawnChainHow on May 25, 2011, 11:38:25 pm
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Post by: Zee_n1 on May 26, 2011, 04:11:08 am
Post by: Bootsza on June 08, 2011, 07:22:03 am
Post by: Jappert on June 08, 2011, 10:34:49 am
Used Jappert's deck for an easy EM and 3 cards on the spin - thanks matey, twas good to use all my shards in a deck too!Heh, thanks for giving it a try! It's pretty much a 100% EM yes, 3 cards is a nice result though!
Post by: automeris on June 09, 2011, 11:14:54 am
Since whichever card you choose for your rewind card will NEVER be on the field of play at the end of your turn, it doesn't matter at all what it can survive. You will never play it without rewinding it, so it will either be in your hand (when you draw it) or on top of your deck (when you start rewinding it every turn). You will pay its casting cost every turn, however.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 749 749 749 749 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 7jp 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q4 7q8-1 RoL, +1 Gnome Rider (the unupgraded one)
You collect insane amounts of :earth anyways, and the 1 extra HP means it can survive facing 2 Scarabs on the field whereas RoL would get snacked on :D
Since you are trying to amass 75 Earth quanta before you play your Stone Skins (and when I last played this deck, I didn't manage; he decked himself out so fast that I had to play my Stone Skins with around 60 Earth quanta), no sense spending one every turn to play a Gnome Rider when a Ray of Light is free to play.
Post by: Jappert on June 09, 2011, 12:18:09 pm
You are right about only playing the creature when you're rewinding it the same turn however. So it's hp would make no difference at all.
Post by: YawnChainHow on June 12, 2011, 04:20:03 am
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Post by: Tea is good on June 12, 2011, 07:53:14 pm
Post by: majofa on June 13, 2011, 05:05:22 pm
Post by: Picheleiro on June 15, 2011, 12:33:48 pm
Dont work anymore. Lionheart keeps now an unquinted creature. And the game becomes a draw.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 749 749 749 749 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 778 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 77k 7jp 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q4 7q8
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8814/capturadepantalla2.png) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/capturadepantalla2.png/)
You can beat it, keeping the 500hp EM with this deck.
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Post by: majofa on June 15, 2011, 10:06:59 pm
Post by: Picheleiro on June 16, 2011, 11:44:48 am
Just keep rewinding your RoL until you beat him with your Eternity.Well, youre right. You only needs to do about 30-40 rewinds.
I didnt think about it, I swear you lol.
Post by: Leo on June 16, 2011, 12:20:21 pm
hehe, yeah, I was about to say the same when I saw the screenshot. "You'll end up killing him with the Eternity". Oh well :)Just keep rewinding your RoL until you beat him with your Eternity.Well, youre right. You only needs to do about 30-40 rewinds.
I didnt think about it, I swear you lol.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 23, 2011, 06:22:20 pm
Post by: Bhlewos on June 26, 2011, 08:32:52 pm
Post by: the dictator on June 29, 2011, 08:30:35 pm
Post by: gumbeh on July 12, 2011, 04:00:59 pm
Post by: purewater156 on July 27, 2011, 03:02:47 am
Decking him out is much easier than killing him
Post by: ralouf on July 28, 2011, 10:19:22 am
Post by: Mainiak on July 30, 2011, 12:10:12 pm
He will now rewind 2x scarabs if he needs to. Chipping him down by 4 hp at a time is paiiiinfulllll. I'm now wishing I had included a graboid or 2 (and never evolved it, if necessary) to massively improve the speed.Yep, that should be definetly included in the OP deck.
I even thought about quitting as my first (of 2) Eternity came with 5 cards left - it took hours.... -.- ... but in the end I got another Eternity :D
I also had no shards, so I went with 6 shields and 6 skins - an early shields definetly helps setting.
Post by: Picheleiro on July 31, 2011, 12:19:56 pm
My strategy in the deck i posted was add a pillar of aether and a quintaessence or two. Its better than wait 40 o 50 turns rewinding a RoL to get the victory.He will now rewind 2x scarabs if he needs to. Chipping him down by 4 hp at a time is paiiiinfulllll. I'm now wishing I had included a graboid or 2 (and never evolved it, if necessary) to massively improve the speed.Yep, that should be definetly included in the OP deck.
I even thought about quitting as my first (of 2) Eternity came with 5 cards left - it took hours.... -.- ... but in the end I got another Eternity :D
I also had no shards, so I went with 6 shields and 6 skins - an early shields definetly helps setting.
Post by: Mainiak on July 31, 2011, 10:24:00 pm
I don't remember, doesn't he eat the last two scarabs immediately? But you definitely need the two quints forcing him to deckout.My strategy in the deck i posted was add a pillar of aether and a quintaessence or two. Its better than wait 40 o 50 turns rewinding a RoL to get the victory.He will now rewind 2x scarabs if he needs to. Chipping him down by 4 hp at a time is paiiiinfulllll. I'm now wishing I had included a graboid or 2 (and never evolved it, if necessary) to massively improve the speed.Yep, that should be definetly included in the OP deck.
I even thought about quitting as my first (of 2) Eternity came with 5 cards left - it took hours.... -.- ... but in the end I got another Eternity :D
I also had no shards, so I went with 6 shields and 6 skins - an early shields definetly helps setting.
Post by: Picheleiro on August 01, 2011, 11:33:45 am
Post by: Mainiak on August 01, 2011, 12:01:35 pm
I meant, he generates them and eats them in the same turn. But now I think I saw the whole field filled, so there has to be a chance to quint them.He cant eat the scarabs if theyre quinted.I don't remember, doesn't he eat the last two scarabs immediately? But you definitely need the two quints forcing him to deckout.My strategy in the deck i posted was add a pillar of aether and a quintaessence or two. Its better than wait 40 o 50 turns rewinding a RoL to get the victory.He will now rewind 2x scarabs if he needs to. Chipping him down by 4 hp at a time is paiiiinfulllll. I'm now wishing I had included a graboid or 2 (and never evolved it, if necessary) to massively improve the speed.Yep, that should be definetly included in the OP deck.
I even thought about quitting as my first (of 2) Eternity came with 5 cards left - it took hours.... -.- ... but in the end I got another Eternity :D
I also had no shards, so I went with 6 shields and 6 skins - an early shields definetly helps setting.
Post by: savagepork on August 14, 2011, 01:27:38 am
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on August 23, 2011, 01:50:33 pm
RofL/Fractal Deck Works well if you can get enough RofL to shield all damage (6-7 i think) and spam the dragonsHe has Pharaohs and knows how to Eternity lock you now once you get hope up... also 4 Gravity Shields on the last 11 cards was painful
Post by: Higurashi on August 24, 2011, 04:56:17 pm
Post by: EvaRia on August 25, 2011, 11:06:04 am
Post by: nolf on September 23, 2011, 08:07:59 am
/rant start Can't remember the last time I got a card, though... even on the special spins grinding the bronze league I hardly ever end up with a card and farming false gods I've probably not seen a card the last 10 wins or so. I've now got an arena level of 43 - and as it happens exactly 43 upgraded cards (plus one whopping nymph) all over the place (like one ray of light for the eventual RoL/hope deck, for which I also still need two lobotomizers). Drop rates have not been kind to me. Embarrassing to put up a deck for the gold league, at least I never have to spend many points on wisdom... /rant end. :)
Post by: furballdn on September 23, 2011, 11:06:31 pm
It's quite funny, as my Fahrenheit alone killed him. I didn't even need any fire bolts. Personally, I find this deck better than the mono aether with dragons, as the dragons and immortals will get stopped by the turtle shield every other turn while your Fahrenheit continuously smacks him around for more and more damage.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on September 23, 2011, 11:10:14 pm
I used this firestall to kill him todayDeck in the OP is meant for people with no rares, so no Fahrenheit. I do think Fire/Aether stall is probably better than the mono :aether deck in the OP though.
It's quite funny, as my Fahrenheit alone killed him. I didn't even need any fire bolts. Personally, I find this deck better than the mono aether with dragons, as the dragons and immortals will get stopped by the turtle shield every other turn while your Fahrenheit continuously smacks him around for more and more damage.
Post by: furballdn on September 25, 2011, 04:29:44 am
I only added the Fahrenheit and fire lance because I happened to have them. It works nearly as great with just 6 fire bolts, 6 dim shields, 5 aether pillars, and 13 fire pillars.I used this firestall to kill him todayDeck in the OP is meant for people with no rares, so no Fahrenheit. I do think Fire/Aether stall is probably better than the mono :aether deck in the OP though.
It's quite funny, as my Fahrenheit alone killed him. I didn't even need any fire bolts. Personally, I find this deck better than the mono aether with dragons, as the dragons and immortals will get stopped by the turtle shield every other turn while your Fahrenheit continuously smacks him around for more and more damage.
I find the fire bolt stall is better than mono aether against some gods because some FGs have shields like permafrost and turtle which slow down your invincible creatures completely. No shield can stop your quanta gathering.
Lionheart isn't that hard either, he constantly decks himself out, so if you can, you can even outstall him. (Protip: Having 10 hourglasses in your deck as well as quinting all your creatures is not a good idea)
Post by: TuckingFypo on September 30, 2011, 08:14:00 am
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Post by: Mataza on October 10, 2011, 05:43:15 pm
Used the Dark/Light/steal an Eternity deck. And I didn´t get a gravity shield in my first 16 cards.
The hypergeometrc proability calculator says this has only a chance of <4%. Now if I had a 5th grav shiled, the chance would have only been 1.4%
Post by: furballdn on October 11, 2011, 12:12:41 am
Post by: reibu on October 25, 2011, 04:37:25 pm
Mono Aether plain and simple...
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Got Lionheart for the Oracle today. Aether plus the 4 deflags worked really well.
Post by: furballdn on October 25, 2011, 08:31:48 pm
Mono Aether plain and simple...Deflags aren't needed imo. Sure, it speed the game, but you're really not in much hurry against Lionheart. He constantly draws himself dry with his hourglasses, so you shouldn't be worreid about deckout.
You could splash in a bit of fire to kill him faster (Turtle shield is annoying) but Mono-Aether should have no prob vs him/her.Code: [Select]5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61v
Got Lionheart for the Oracle today. Aether plus the 4 deflags worked really well.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on December 13, 2011, 10:50:14 pm
Post by: oxoKANEoxo on January 01, 2012, 08:35:20 am
Post by: taker on January 04, 2012, 09:43:21 am
Thank you. Your Mono Aether deck worked perfectly.sign
Post by: kurathedog on January 10, 2012, 10:55:23 pm
First time, He got pharoh and exactly 5 scarabs, outdamaging the healing.
Second time... Well... AI started rewiniding scarabs, got down to one un-quinted slot, and hand pretty much full of scarabs (+2 from pharohs, play 2, rewind 2) and because play scarab, rewind, play other scarab, rewind, etc.
Edit: If you have this situation, I found the solution. If he has 5 cards left (Ai leaves it at that), full hand, and one unquinted scarab, rewind the scarab with the spare rewind. AI plays it, then quints it first, because It has 5 cards left and doesn't think it needs to keep it. Took me 20 turns to figure that out.
Post by: ashashin on January 11, 2012, 02:44:22 am
Post by: Prnc Athrr on January 26, 2012, 05:21:26 pm
I don't know why she or he doesn't even show his or her strategy.. Maybe my om nom nom guys slows him or her down?
*High Chance not 100% ;D
Post by: KiLLjoY on January 29, 2012, 01:11:29 pm
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
lol. i tried this deck today. i really like the idea, but to my surprise the AI isn't as stupid as i thought, as it kept on rewinding his creatures to not deck out.
so after i used my drains on him, i had to deal like 100++ dmg with only my stolen eternity.
The card expresses the length of that process very well. :P
Post by: furballdn on January 29, 2012, 08:47:21 pm
Most of the time, lionheart gets quint happy so he makes his own creatures unrewindable, but eventually that happens. He's still prone to decking himself out with his double draw and multiple hourglasses though.Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
lol. i tried this deck today. i really like the idea, but to my surprise the AI isn't as stupid as i thought, as it kept on rewinding his creatures to not deck out.
so after i used my drains on him, i had to deal like 100++ dmg with only my stolen eternity.
The card expresses the length of that process very well. :P
Post by: ashashin on February 04, 2012, 12:17:55 am
Post by: Junkers on February 25, 2012, 06:13:59 pm
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.Great deck against Lionheart - outcome was never in jeopardy.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 26, 2012, 06:11:37 pm
Post by: furballdn on February 26, 2012, 09:56:11 pm
It seems he's learned double rewind... its such a pain to kill him with just an Eternity...Doesn't he be stupid and mass quint his field though? Either way, you can poke him to death with your eternity (though that's very slow).
Post by: Boingo on March 31, 2012, 07:43:39 pm
Plus the cheap bastard didn't award any cards.
Winning has never made me so mad! Lol
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Post by: Selinea on April 16, 2012, 08:13:14 am
Post by: Nightlark on April 17, 2012, 10:49:15 pm
Tried Mono Aether. Went seven rounds without drawing a single shield, then lost. Definitely trying the other deck ideas next time...
Most likely just bad luck. I tried the unupped deck today and it worked pretty well against him.
Post by: pulli23 on April 25, 2012, 09:41:05 am
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 25, 2012, 05:16:24 pm
Post by: pulli23 on April 26, 2012, 05:21:40 pm
Yes, there was an AI buff last update. I assume they figured out how to get around Gravity Shields too...hmm indeed crusaders also stopped endowing -.-. Still won with (unupped) grav shield deck, but it's not a walkover anymore.
Post by: Newbiecake on April 26, 2012, 06:06:40 pm
Post by: majofa on April 26, 2012, 06:12:23 pm
Lionheart will no longer tolerate you all abusing his biggest weakness anymore.Zanz will no longer tolerate FGs being fun anymore... :(
Post by: Drake_XIV on April 26, 2012, 11:35:27 pm
Edit: Confused Lionheart with Osiris. Derp
Post by: sheilasaurus on May 19, 2012, 04:04:10 am
Mono Aether plain and simple...
You could splash in a bit of fire to kill him faster (Turtle shield is annoying) but Mono-Aether should have no prob vs him/her.Code: [Select]5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61vORCode: [Select]61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 61s 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61v 61v 61v 61v
Just wanted to say, I just used the first of these decks (which is a basic mono aether plus 4 deflags) but I forgot to change my mark to fire (it was set on air, completely useless)...and I still won! I highly recommend either of these, because I won even with four unplayable cards in my deck. The other thing that really helped was EvaRia's advice that 18 cards left is the magic number for starting to chain dimension shields.
btw, for my stupidity I was rewarded with an upped eternity :D
Post by: Boingo on May 24, 2012, 02:59:15 am
Kept endowing for me. Scarabs came late in the line-up so not sure if low hp was AI being clever or not. You will not win by deckout now, but the OP deck still very viable for 500 hp EM. Just be prepared for mind-numbing inaction--death by Eternity takes a while.Yes, there was an AI buff last update. I assume they figured out how to get around Gravity Shields too...hmm indeed crusaders also stopped endowing -.-.
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Post by: Higurashi on May 24, 2012, 07:40:04 am
Post by: eaglgenes101 on June 05, 2012, 01:04:39 am
Post by: JuneIsSunny on June 25, 2012, 05:50:01 pm
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 25, 2012, 06:47:11 pm
Post by: hainkarga on July 14, 2012, 10:18:27 am
So what you should do ? The plan is taking the damage and having 2-3 DS in your hand before zerging with psions. 2-3 DS with a fractal or two should give you enough turns to win vs its drawlock. And the good thing is, it doesn't RT all your creatures all the time. Deck can have +1 fractal -1 ds as well. In my match i didn't bother with waiting 2 ds and 1 was enough.
Edit: Unupped one should also work
Post by: Viveleslardons on July 20, 2012, 01:41:49 pm
Post by: jade_giant on October 02, 2012, 02:31:18 am
This unupped deck pretty much decks him out with EM every time I play him:
I have to include the Sundials as I consistently get screwed by Dimensional Shield based decks. I can't count the number of times "15 or 14 cards left when I die and 1 shield shows up" in a 30 card deck I've had.
Jade Giant
Post by: MisterWax on October 27, 2012, 10:13:59 am
Post by: Rutarete on October 31, 2012, 02:18:07 am
Edit: Worked perfectly yet again.
Edit: ^
Edit: Well, had a close game, but lost with this for the first time. Record is 3/4.
Edit: Record is now 6/8
Post by: Daenyathos on November 24, 2012, 09:50:44 am
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
Played this deck a few times, EM each and every time. Today however something weird happened Lionheart got his Aether pendulums out really really late, so by the time his creature board was almost clogged (and he had something like 5 or 7 cards left) very few were quinted. This resulted in about a dozen turns where his two pharaohs would generate scarabs only to have them sent back to his hand. My only source of damage was the Eternity I'd stolen, as the pet cockatrice had finally been sent to my hand a few turns earlier. I prepared mentally to grind at his remaining 132 HP, taking 4 each turn, for 34 turns, when he finally decided to quint the last scarab and he decked out, to my relief. I really would have hated to have to click click click the same card and ability for sooo many turns... :/
Post by: Regyptic on November 24, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
Played this deck a few times, EM each and every time. Today however something weird happened Lionheart got his Aether pendulums out really really late, so by the time his creature board was almost clogged (and he had something like 5 or 7 cards left) very few were quinted. This resulted in about a dozen turns where his two pharaohs would generate scarabs only to have them sent back to his hand. My only source of damage was the Eternity I'd stolen, as the pet cockatrice had finally been sent to my hand a few turns earlier. I prepared mentally to grind at his remaining 132 HP, taking 4 each turn, for 34 turns, when he finally decided to quint the last scarab and he decked out, to my relief. I really would have hated to have to click click click the same card and ability for sooo many turns... :/I had a very similar situation with that deck once when Lionheart only got an Anubis very late on. However, the AI wasn't quite as stupid that time and managed not to quint the last 2 scarabs. I think the match got to about 55 turns before my eternity killed him (with EM). I kept having to walk away and come back because Lionheart was spending so long on each turn.
Other than the occasional odd game though this is a very good unnupped counter. The only time I remember losing with it is when Lionheart managed to keep his Scarabs and Crusaders under 6HP for the whole game so they went right under my shield.
Post by: Anthraxx on December 03, 2012, 08:29:56 am
- Better QI
- immune to turtle shield
- waaay faster
- if you suck at drawing these dims you might still be ok, cause 2 SoW'd dragon kill quite fast (even unupped).
Post by: Moraku on December 30, 2012, 06:52:13 pm
Post by: Regyptic on December 31, 2012, 12:36:32 am
I was using the 500 HP EM deck, when I realized I was being forced to kill Lionheart by Eternity damage. Maybe I got lucky, but when I used the spare Rewind on Lionheart's only unquinted Scarab, it decided to play it next turn and immediately quint it, ending the near-infinite cycle of 4 damage per turn.I've had this happen a couple of times too. What I think happens is that Lionheart will only quint Scarabs when he has 5 or more cards left in his deck, otherwise he'll use Rewind until he's back at a 5 card deck and then leave one Scarab out, unquinted, to Rewind next turn. So if you Rewind a Scarab for him when he's at 5 cards left and has a full hand, on his next turn he will only draw the Scarab, leaving him at 5 cards still, at which point he'll happily play and quint the Scarab, giving you the win a few turns later.
This can save a lot of time if you get into this position with a deckout deck against Lionheart. Only 4 damage a turn from Eternity is slow.
Post by: Avenger on February 02, 2013, 08:45:38 am
Post by: Chapuz on February 02, 2013, 05:25:21 pm
Post by: Kakerlake on February 06, 2013, 01:29:41 pm
Post by: RavingRabbid on April 21, 2013, 08:07:43 am
Post by: midian on April 21, 2013, 10:55:04 am
Quint to save anubi from scarabs, then start to quint his creatures. You shouldn't need to reverse time, i won with only one anubi in play and he had the procrastionation shield.
Post by: Leodip on April 25, 2013, 08:44:00 am
(http://i.imgur.com/PMuxXOE.png)
Leaving aside the fact that I won, I noticed, among other games I had against Lionheart, that a single Quintessence could kill him there (assuming he would have used anubis' effect on the last pharaoh). Playing two would, leaving them both being the last cards in your deck, be a killer.
Said so, a budget deck for lionheart would be:
6 Dimensional Shield
2-4 Quintessence
20-22 Aether Pillar
Aether Mark
If you have an Essential Halfblood Farmer you should already have this, pretty much, quints and few pillars aside.
Playing more Quints would increase your likelyhood of not losing because of them being on bottom deck, while playing less increases your likelyhood of having more pillars in the starting hand. Since the number of pillars is already big enough, you can easily play 4 Quints and 20 Pillars.
If you have upped sundials you can play them too, or even change the mark to Time to power them, increasing the number of turns you can stop your opponent's attacks.
6 Dim Shields are 18 turns of no attacks and no weapon damage,
6 Sundials are 6 turns of no attacks.
Together they make 24 Turns. Considering he has 80 cards in deck with double drawing and 10 Hourglasses, extimating he can play one every 2,5 turns, he'll draw at a crazy speed where probably the 18 turns of Dim Shields are enough. Said this, sundials power up your deck, but not necessarily needed, play them only if you have them upped and it's ok.
Post by: Pella on April 30, 2013, 07:24:46 pm
Played this deck. Lost miserably.Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
Played this deck a few times, EM each and every time. Today however something weird happened Lionheart got his Aether pendulums out really really late, so by the time his creature board was almost clogged (and he had something like 5 or 7 cards left) very few were quinted. This resulted in about a dozen turns where his two pharaohs would generate scarabs only to have them sent back to his hand. My only source of damage was the Eternity I'd stolen, as the pet cockatrice had finally been sent to my hand a few turns earlier. I prepared mentally to grind at his remaining 132 HP, taking 4 each turn, for 34 turns, when he finally decided to quint the last scarab and he decked out, to my relief. I really would have hated to have to click click click the same card and ability for sooo many turns... :/
Lionheart took his sweetass time playing any Light Towers, so I couldn't get any Sanctuaries out until it was much too late to matter.
Post by: midian on May 28, 2013, 11:55:56 am
Was farming FGs with Limitless, and then I found myself like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/PMuxXOE.png)
Leaving aside the fact that I won, I noticed, among other games I had against Lionheart, that a single Quintessence could kill him there (assuming he would have used anubis' effect on the last pharaoh). Playing two would, leaving them both being the last cards in your deck, be a killer.
Said so, a budget deck for lionheart would be:
6 Dimensional Shield
2-4 Quintessence
20-22 Aether Pillar
Aether Mark
If you have an Essential Halfblood Farmer you should already have this, pretty much, quints and few pillars aside.
Playing more Quints would increase your likelyhood of not losing because of them being on bottom deck, while playing less increases your likelyhood of having more pillars in the starting hand. Since the number of pillars is already big enough, you can easily play 4 Quints and 20 Pillars.
If you have upped sundials you can play them too, or even change the mark to Time to power them, increasing the number of turns you can stop your opponent's attacks.
6 Dim Shields are 18 turns of no attacks and no weapon damage,
6 Sundials are 6 turns of no attacks.
Together they make 24 Turns. Considering he has 80 cards in deck with double drawing and 10 Hourglasses, extimating he can play one every 2,5 turns, he'll draw at a crazy speed where probably the 18 turns of Dim Shields are enough. Said this, sundials power up your deck, but not necessarily needed, play them only if you have them upped and it's ok.
Thank you for your idea! I edited a deck with quintessence and sanctuary to get EM, it worked perfectly ;)
Post by: majofa on July 24, 2013, 03:40:06 pm
Post by: Renaaata on July 28, 2013, 09:24:28 pm
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
Used this deck 2 times already. Worked like charm, 2 EM.
Thank you.
Post by: trashduke on August 20, 2013, 09:40:57 pm
Post by: Frelance on September 29, 2013, 11:55:40 pm
500hp EM real easily, but I've decided it's a waste of effort just to get 100 or whatever extra electrum. Next time it's just going to be grav shield & Sanctuary with better quanta support, and the four time cards.
Post by: salbei on October 13, 2013, 06:56:17 am
Used this one for a fast win. You might want to add a third "Hope".
Post by: Submachine on December 07, 2013, 09:18:18 am
If you get an Eternity and enough Time Towers, you can win 1 or 2 turns more if needed.
You can get MOAR Quintessence and Aether Pendulums from him.
If you get an Anubis and enough :time to summon him, that's infinite QE.
Post by: xanatoss on January 05, 2014, 10:33:31 am
Steal 2x Light Towers, then an Eternity and 3x Time Towers.
Used this deck 2 times already. Worked like charm, 2 EM.
Thank you.
he is right! this deck is freakin awesome! very good job, majofa and thanks for sharing it :)
Post by: jsrjohnny on January 24, 2014, 02:17:39 pm
Post by: Submachine on January 28, 2014, 03:19:03 pm
(http://imgur.com/v6tiGk8.jpg)
No need to say, I still won with an EM, but it was close. :D
Post by: iancudorinmarian on January 28, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
With my previously posted mindgate deck, I got in the following situation, where I got only 1 turn away from being deckouted:The idea of the deck was to mindgate an eternity? lol(http://imgur.com/v6tiGk8.jpg)
No need to say, I still won with an EM, but it was close. :D
Post by: Leodip on January 28, 2014, 03:53:35 pm
With my previously posted mindgate deck, I got in the following situation, where I got only 1 turn away from being deckouted:I still think that Aether with Shields and Quintessences would be better than that, even though I like the idea of playing Sanctuaries to get an EM (but unneeded).
(http://imgur.com/v6tiGk8.jpg)
No need to say, I still won with an EM, but it was close. :D
Post by: rob77dp on January 28, 2014, 04:03:55 pm
Post by: Submachine on January 28, 2014, 04:33:25 pm
The main idea was to get a fun EM while Lionheart decks himself out with his insane drawpower. It is usually possible to deck him out with a 30-card deck (if he can't rewind his own creatures), but sometimes close calls like this happen.With my previously posted mindgate deck, I got in the following situation, where I got only 1 turn away from being deckouted:(http://imgur.com/v6tiGk8.jpg)
No need to say, I still won with an EM, but it was close. :D
The idea of the deck was to mindgate an eternity? lol
Post by: farscape on January 28, 2014, 07:37:37 pm
Post by: ColorlessGreen on January 28, 2014, 07:46:30 pm
Why do you need Quintessence in your deck ? If you are trying to win by deck-out, you don't need to play any creatures even if you get them by mindgate, just discard them if your hand is full. You could put in a photon instead so that you have a zero cost creature to bounce with eternity if you needed a few more turns.
To quint lionheart's creatures for him to prevent him bouncing a scarab and not decking out.
Post by: Submachine on January 28, 2014, 11:00:12 pm
Why do you need Quintessence in your deck ? If you are trying to win by deck-out, you don't need to play any creatures even if you get them by mindgate, just discard them if your hand is full. You could put in a photon instead so that you have a zero cost creature to bounce with eternity if you needed a few more turns.
To quint lionheart's creatures for him to prevent him bouncing a scarab and not decking out.
Exactly what ColorlessGreen said.
Post by: the dictator on February 20, 2014, 02:47:39 pm
It works better than the quartets in the opening posts, because of draw reliability, though it doesn't have as much healing power, so getting EM's is more of a close call. Most dangerous if the field fills up before he can get his pharaohs to produce 6 (quinted) scarabs, because that means you take up to 19 damage a turn (5 scarabs+4 from the weapon slot). So, while I only got 1 EM in those two matches, I won both easily, with more than 300 hp's at the end each time. (getting to 500 is surprisingly hard, he usually decks himself before I draw all the stone skins).
Post by: Submachine on February 20, 2014, 07:35:28 pm
I have tossed the following deck together and used for 2 consecutive days on my alt:
It works better than the quartets in the opening posts, because of draw reliability, though it doesn't have as much healing power, so getting EM's is more of a close call. Most dangerous if the field fills up before he can get his pharaohs to produce 6 (quinted) scarabs, because that means you take up to 19 damage a turn (5 scarabs+4 from the weapon slot). So, while I only got 1 EM in those two matches, I won both easily, with more than 300 hp's at the end each time. (getting to 500 is surprisingly hard, he usually decks himself before I draw all the stone skins).
Post by: Leodip on February 20, 2014, 11:09:33 pm
Post by: the dictator on February 22, 2014, 07:59:06 pm
He can rewind his own creatures leading to a deckout on your end.
Lionheart only rewinds scarabs to stay alive, which means you don't even need EVERYTHING quinted, just all scarabs. Funny enough, the quint priority for lionheart seems to be: Scarab - Other - Pharaoh (not sure on anubis/crusader/eternity, it might depend on their attack value, which means it would be endowed crusader - anubis - eternity - unendowed crusader)
So, like I said, you only lose if he doesn't quint every scarab on the field. And to give you an idea, I played approximately 15 matches in trainer, only lost 1 because lionheart pulled a succesfull self rewind (lost a second when I failed to draw gravity shield in the first 15 cards of the deck). He tried it 3 more times, but on 2 of them he was only rewinding 1 card (aka, it just took him longer to lose, considering his double draw). On the other two, he managed to rewind a few creatures, but then went crazy on the anubi, as usual, and died. On the other 10 wins he had his full field quinted before he even got to 5 cards left in deck. The one game where I lost because I got decked out was when he didn't draw any anubi until he had 9 scarab on the field, which means the anubi got eaten as soon as they arrived.
Post by: Submachine on February 22, 2014, 10:07:22 pm
Post by: the dictator on February 22, 2014, 10:11:44 pm
Post by: Submachine on February 22, 2014, 10:14:32 pm
Interesting, though it shouldn't make much of a difference, because usually everything but scarabs is quinted, or if it isn't already, it will be soon. (Because scarabs are continuously generated)I also experienced what you said, when he didn't quint its last 2 creatures for 6 turns, but after that it suddenly managed to quint the last 2. So Lionheart's AI is faulty a bit, but most of the time it works as it should.
Post by: the dictator on February 22, 2014, 10:18:58 pm
You want at least 1 anubis before 2 rewinds (endowed crusaders), or 1 anubis after a Pharaoh. That way, an additional creature slot is going to be locked every turn. Because either: A) the anubis gets to quint one of the two bouncing creatures before it gets rewinded, or B) because the anubis gets to quint a scarab every turn. And, if an additional creature slot is going to be locked every turn, that means eventually, all slots will be locked, thus preventing lionheart from bouncing.
Post by: farscape on February 28, 2014, 01:42:09 pm
(make sure to keep the black-hole for the finishing turn to heal back the eternity-damage if you are killing the FG with poison instead of deckout):
Post by: Lech on March 03, 2015, 08:53:51 pm
You don't need so many time factories, you can get away with far less: in fully upped variant, you can possibly get away with just 3 upped time factories.
The only 1/30 games eternity will be your last card, so you can play with just one (for example if someone is new player and don't have many of them).
Shards of Divinity are decent choice alongside sanctuaries, you can possibly even play with mark of light and gravity pillars instead of mark of gravity and light pillars for bigger EM.
Something like this deck, with 4x+24 hp you can possibly get 196 hp EM, quite often. You can replace guardian angel with some low cost gravity minion like graviton salvager or whatever, it doesn't change anything. You may want to get two black holes, for more sure EM.
Here is mostly unupped version that works great, too:
Shards aside, this deck perform well enough to warrant first post inclusion. If someone don't have shards, additional gravity shield, two additional gravity pendulums, time tower instead of time pendulum and perhaps second black hole would be perfect choices to substitute in.
Post by: yee on May 29, 2015, 08:34:34 am
I didn't get EM, becuse early Dune Scorpion, but it was faster than usuall Lionheart stall.
Post by: Barragor on August 06, 2015, 01:58:29 pm
I posted a version with a 5th gravity pendulum, since the gravity shield is a must. But 4 pendulums is pretty solid, so you could add a Rewind or a 6th light pendulum instead.
You could also consider throwing in a Miracle, but you might have to save some quanta for it instead of spending it all on sanctuaries.
The chance of drawing eternity last is 1/30 and most of the times lionheart decks himself out before you get below 5 cards anyway. So IMO the rewind is not needed.
Don't let them eat your Gemfinder ;)
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Post by: diggoran on March 28, 2018, 05:04:57 am
My deck:
Never drew momentum, so I never played the dune scorpion. The plan was to drop the scorpion and then rewind the angel until Lionheart died. I didn't consider the deckout possibility until I noticed he quinted all his creatures!
I almost didn't have this victory because the Oracle gave me a deathstalker, which a scarab ate, opening a space on his board for infinite rewinds on the turn that he decked out... but I'm sure I would have won eventually anyway :P
(https://i.imgur.com/tcxSf9v.png)
Before the death blow End Turn:
(https://i.imgur.com/GbaIuoV.png)
Post by: Asdfugio on March 29, 2018, 08:12:45 am
worked like a charm. :P
Post by: mypetmachine on July 18, 2018, 08:42:42 am
I made a variation on the 40-card deckout deck in the OP, swapping out hourglasses for SoBra, to help Lionheart deck himself out even faster.
(Also changed the Voodoo Doll to an Ash Eater because why not?)
Tested a few times in trainer and it seems to work as well as the other deck out decks while also being a bit faster by forcing Lionheart to draw even more cards. All the matches in the trainer I didn't even need to play the Ash Eater to rewind it.