Round 1 matchup, deck planning

[Zso_Zso]

These our our team matchups for the first round:

Odii Odsen    vs    Hyroen
Belligerence   vs    Blacksmith
Gen. mesaprotector   vs    bripod
Zso_Zso   vs    Gen. nilsieboy
Kuroaitou   vs    shileka
nelde59   vs    ddevans96

We will need to arrange our games via forum PMs to find suitable times. An important tip: make sure to set your message options to store a copy of your outgoing messages. Those can be useful proof in case of scheduling difficulty to show the WMs we were trying to find a good time.

[Zso_Zso]

Collecting gravity  decks from previous wars they used against  light:

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the following deck of  won against vader-sader of  :

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The following deck lost against vader-sader variant with dragons deck:

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The following deck lost against fire-light duo using phoenix, rage archangels
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33280.0.html

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So their best shot seems to be an Otyugh based deck, which worked well against crusaders, so we should bring something with bigger HP to chew on, e.g. dragons and archangels, or a fire stall would work as well. So good options include: Woohoo, Shine Bright Like A Diamond, Firestall, (Golden Shadow), Angel's Gate.


Modified version of potential  decks for 9-upgrade general:

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Proposed decks to use against 

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Desert-Wonder:

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Golden Shadow:

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Desert-wonder works very well against the Otyugh + grav-shield deck, but it fails against the cata-titan and the light-stall.
Golden Shadow is weaker against Otyugh + grav-shield deck with 9 ups (heavy armor + elite Otyugh eats dragons, EQ+pulvy devastates quanta), but it works ~50% against cata-titan (Ai tests show better but because AI fails to use catapult when it could). It works OK against the light stall too.

Overall, Golden Shadow modded seems better unless they bring the Otyugh + grav-shield deck, where the dunes would be perfect.
Golden Shadow works much better using upped vampire daggers instead of cloaks for cata-titan and stall, and it  works with same stats  against the otyugh deck.

Modified Golden Shadow deck:

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Note: even with the mod I am only getting 40% - 45% win chances in simulator against the above 9-up gravity decks, in trainer testing against the AI, I can get about 3-2 W-L matches, but it is still pretty close. Against Nilsieboy I'll need all the luck the Mario and RNG gods can give me...

The final choice to use: a  combined dragon+stall deck with steals/cloaks :

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This works better against all 3 above gravy decks than Golden Shadow, giving 60-65%  win-rates instead of the 40-45%.
It is also not a pure stall, like my previous version, so it should work also other (bigger) stalls. I am happy with this.

[mesaprotector]

My tentative recommendations are below.

Against Entropy: Shine Bright Like a Diamond or Angel's Gate (Both decks are good against Discord and CC)
Against Fire: Woohoo (CC-resistant semirush with 6 CC cards)
Against Gravity: Desert of Wonder or Golden Shadow (If we use the second, I'd suggest using the version with 3 steals since most of Gravy's CC isn't a problem)
Against Life: Firestall (They'll probably be expecting this, but it's still ridiculously good)
Against Darkness: Righteous Fury or Clumsy Crusaders (The first is another expected but hard-to-counter deck)
Against Earth: Perpetual Light (Stands a chance against most of their decks, even Discake, and is much better with 12 ups)

[Hyroen]

As suggested I will be testing decks from HERE against this version of SBLAD:

Spoiler for SBLAD:

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Spoiler for Testing:

Entropy Deck 1:

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Entropy Deck 2:

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Entropy Deck 3:

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Entropy Deck 4:

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Entropy Deck 5:

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Entropy Deck 6:

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and against this version of Angel's Gate:

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Spoiler for Testing:

Entropy Deck 1:

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Entropy Deck 2:

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Entropy Deck 3:

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 55v 6ts 6ts 6ts 8plWIN: 2 LOSS: 3
Entropy Deck 4:

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Entropy Deck 5:

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Entropy Deck 6:

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*All decks tested using Trainer's Custom AI3. Entropy Decks modified to use 3 upgrades.

Conclusion: I'll be using Shine Bright Like a Diamond (SBLAD)

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Original -1 Reflective Shield +1 Light Pillar
It has a clear weakness to the speedy offensive setups of Entropy Grabbows and I fear a duo with Chaos Power, Dunes, Cat, Eternity and Dis Shield, but only Time will tell.

[Hyroen]

With deckbuilding coming to a close very soon, I'd suggest everyone start posting the decks they will use in this thread.

I'm almost done the testing with SBLAD and am almost sure I'll be going with it.

[Kuroaitou]

I'll be using Woohoo:

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25lazB5mqz561qz561rz27ju8pu

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Against Firestalls, I originally miscalculated that it had a low win rate (because the AI doesn't know how to use Fire Stall correctly) by testing it against the trainer AI, but with mesa's quick battle, we decided that it had a relatively 'high' win percentage due to the spontaneous burst damage it can pull out with PU Dragons or Angels + supplemental lightnings for faster finishes. Unless the opponent gets a near perfect early draw (high fire quanta - fire bolts drawn relatively quick), rage potions and fire shields need to come out early to remove first turn damage, or a fahrenheit has to come out to whittle Woohoo down.

Likewise, Lightnings can stop immorush decks with Lava Golems (or PU them for extra damage if possible before killing them), but it's chance-based. Poor draws in an immorush is a guaranteed win for me, but otherwise PU/Lightnings will make or break a win against an immorush.

I don't think Fire is going to use denial against us (we do have sanctuaries, after all), especially as they're facing opponent where denial may be far better: , , & have far more expensive cards than we do for the most part...

[mesaprotector]

mesaprotector (General) vs. bripod of

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nelde59 (Quartermaster) vs.

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[Hyroen]

Sent this to Odii:

I'll be in chat on Saturday, most likely around 10GMT. See you then.

[mesaprotector]

General

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Lieutenant

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Strategist

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Berserker

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Quartermaster

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Standard Bearer

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[Zso_Zso]

My game with Nilsieboy (Gravity-light) is set for Sunday 14:00 GMT, countdown timer: time of match
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130127T14&p0=136&msg=War6+Round1+Gravity-Light

[Hyroen]

My match will be today at 10 GMT. Be there. Also, we need to set up our voice chat or otherwise...

Anyway!

[Hyroen]

Lost, damnit. Sorry guys.