Vault

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We need to work out how much contention there are in our decks. I probably overuse quite a few contended resources (we can't run dials in every deck.. we can't run sofr in every deck.. but then our split becomes predictable)

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Mono,SoFr

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monopega

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Free at Fast more air. -1MS +OE swap pillar for touch of CC

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free at fast lt

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freepegabless

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freepegabless lt

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SoVdial,Sovicle,Chrysdials,Catatitans,Boltrush

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SoVdial

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SoVdial lt

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Sovicle

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Pdials

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catatitans

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Boltrush lt

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Discolight,Ragel,SCC,KleptoAngels

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Discolight

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ragel

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ragel lt

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SNCC lt

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Klepto Angels, little faster than Vader Saders, better vs sofr

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AlrightStall,FirstStall,Siphonary

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AlrightStall

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FirstStall

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Siphonary

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vader,pugons,lolhope

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vader

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pugons

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lolhope lt

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[serprex]

Spoiler for old feedback from dragonsdemesne:

(updated decks with feedback)

NT
-seems alright, but i think it needs 6 tears just for consistency

monopega
-7 pends is WAY too many.  I would change several into pillars, have maybe 4 pends.  I think I'd also change one morning star out for something else, maybe a 4th pegasus

free at fast
-I'm not sure how to evaluate this one.  There's something I don't like about it, but I can't put my finger on it.

freepegabless
-11 quanta doesn't feel like enough here, and unlike monopega, I think this one needs more air quanta.  I think I'd swap out one SoFr for another pend

freepegalt
-this seems pretty good.  only possible change would be -2 archangel +2 dragon, then you get 2 more upgrades (or make it easier for nongeneral)

freepega
-freepegalt is so much better than this, imo.  scrap (or convert to 2nd freepegalt in vault)

sovdial
-I really like this.  fairly easy to convert to nongeneral as well

sovicle
-I like sovdial better due to the dial draw (no early SoV is really bad) but against certain types of decks, this is way better, so having both available is fine.  thought on SoD in this, despite the darkness mark?

pdials
-seems good.  there's a lot of ways to run this deck.  sosa instead of sancs, for instance.  (though on team death last war, that seemed to lose a lot for some reason)

catatitans
-I -love- this against dimshields and certain types of removals (titan hp).  what do you think about a gravity pull or two for the titans? dunno what to take out though

boltrush
-nothing to change here; good deck.  I'd add a reflective shield (or mirror shield) to prevent just losing to opposing reflective

lolhope
-this deck has been so refined over the years and there's just nothing to suggest

fireflyhope
-there is a *LOT* of unspent light quanta here.  you're playing one hope, ever, and that's it.  it needs something else I think

fireflyhope2
-change fog into a 3rd hope, change damsel into another SoFr seems better to me

discolight
-i don't like chaos seed due to the randomness.  it does combo with maxwell's in that you can sometimes kill a creature that chaos seed left alive, though.  what about an animate weapon, or upped pandemonium?

rage!
-nothing too much to change here.  It could make use of solar shield as a one-of, though

auburnsplash
-I don't like this deck, primarily because it takes a lot of earth quanta to get going, but if it survives, it's pretty strong

SNCC
-There are -so- many ways to mod these sorts of decks.  I like the idea of a discord off the mark quanta, and also comboing with the black hole from SoFo.  (quanta denial also works great with reverse time)

alrightstall
-seems like it might be too low on quanta, but if testing proves otherwise, I'm happy with the deck

sosadials, price 1910
-I think I'd drop one of the pends for a mirror shield, and then unup one SoD

firststall
-It does conflict with sundials, but I think I want to see fireshield as a one-of; thoughts?

jadesader
-seems a bit quanta light, and reflective won't be needed in every matchup, but that can be adjusted as needed

vader
-I think a solar shield or two would be incredible in this deck

badpugons
-I'm terrible at building pugons for some reason, but this is probably fine; might want to check quanta balance/amount with playtesting to make sure it's good

[serprex]

To support Siphonary I've made the following change:
-1 Butterfly Effect (now 2)
-2 Chaos seed (now 2)
-1 Lycan (now 2)
-1 Discord (now 5)
-6 Holy Light (now 18)
+3 Drain Life (now 9)
+2 Vagger (now 6)

One-shot-miracle Siphonary

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Next fixup is +2 Tstorm +2 OE, don't know what to remove

[serprex]

demesne was saying to only get +2 OE & I was thinking of only getting +1 Tstorm, but then I decided to cut 5NT because as is it's incapable of being teched. Sure it's got a stallbreak component that our other decks are somewhat lacking in, but I don't think stallbreak is what our vault's lacking. So -5 NT, -2 Chaos Seed, -1 HL, +3 OE, +2 Tstorm, +1 Sanct, +1 solar shield, +1 pande

[serprex]

This hit us hard. 990 increase in vault cost. Teamchat with Discord & Silver Emerald concluded to drop pdials for chrysdials (poison has also gone from 70 to 90), drop fireflyhope (firefly use to cost 20), cut off various excesses like 4 fire shields to 2, 6 oes to 5, 4 maxwell to 2, 2 sofo to 1. Then dropped many lucis/holylights, went for other light cards, more reflectives/dragons/saders/hopes

[serprex]

Phoenix were kind of expensive, thought they'd fit in ragel but haven't seemed to. So -2 phoenix -2 photon +2 rednymph +reflective +rof +fireshield

Please let me know if you don't have red nymphs or purple nymphs or light nymphs

[ARTHANASIOS]

Phoenix were kind of expensive, thought they'd fit in ragel but haven't seemed to. So -2 phoenix -2 photon +2 rednymph +reflective +rof +fireshield

Please let me know if you don't have red nymphs or purple nymphs or light nymphs

Well, I lack nymphs but I have 7 Purple and 2 Red ones, so I think I will be fine.

[dragonsdemesne]

5 light, 8 red, 14 purple (yes, really).  2 upped red/6 upped purple if relevant.

[serprex]

After pugons experiment it's clear that we need 6 PUs for the deck. So dropped from 2 lightning to 1, went from 4 PU to 6, 5 fractal to 4, then fiddling with light cards ends with 16 sanctuaries becoming 18 (9 blessing to 6, 13 sod to 12)

[dragonsdemesne]

12 SoD might be a bit much anyway, but we can see how that goes.