Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2011, 03:25:07 am
Since we have less than 3 days to make our vault, I figured we would go ahead and see what decks to add in. Choose 7 decks, which is 20% of them.
Raging Angels
Blessed Otyugh
Blessed otyughs (Boingo alternate)
MaxHP
Miracle/SS stall
Root's Version:
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Entropy heavy cc:
Golden Dragon LS:
Vader Saderbow
Vader Sader (sanctuary style) :
Graboid Pegasus Rushbow:
I accidentally had a darkness mark originally. It should be earth.
Blessed Wardens:
Blessed Wardens hrmmm's alternate
Aflatoxin/Solar Buckler lockdown
Winged Sader:
Acc. angels
Sanctuary Firestall:
Firestall 34 card w/ Miracle:
Life Rush:
This was originally a light mark by accident, but I corrected it (it's life in the chat). Sorry. Change your vote if you wish.
False Light - Unupped RoL/Hope
Peggy/Wings
Blessed Deathstalkers :
Heal/Stall :
Desert Crusaders :
52 Card Rainbow Stall:
Alternate 60 Card Version
Flying Glories (aether style) :
Poison Miracle Stall:
Sanctuary Version
Parablessed Dragon:
Discorders (entropy duo with PC, denial) :
Poison of the Sun
Immo Rush
Oty Lock
Anticord
EDIT: Done, Boingo. Thanks for pointing that out.
Post by: Boingo on April 03, 2011, 02:17:13 pm
Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2011, 04:35:17 pm
For example, say that Stoneskin Stall A has 2 votes and Stoneskin Stall B has 1 vote. Would that mean 3 votes to Stoneskin Stall A if the two decks are very similar?
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on April 03, 2011, 10:28:41 pm
Post by: hrmmm on April 03, 2011, 11:31:05 pm
Also, when deciding the Top 5-7 decks, do you think similar decks should have their votes combined?i think the main goal of this vote, might be to determine which dous we want to have the most cards in our vault.
For example, say that Stoneskin Stall A has 2 votes and Stoneskin Stall B has 1 vote. Would that mean 3 votes to Stoneskin Stall A if the two decks are very similar?
e.g.if we take a stoneskin stall, it need just 6 more cards to make a warden deck out of it (assumed we have some blessing anyways in our base vault).
this grants us the most flexible vault.
if a deck cant change during the deckbuilding rounds - e.g. we have only 6 devourers in the vault, but no other darkness combo cards - we will pretty much srew up our vault, if a deck wont work like planed.
i like to take this vote as a base to see which cards the vault needs beside them and besides basic :light cards.
Post by: Boingo on April 04, 2011, 02:21:28 am
:fire
Firestall is a must (bolts, Fahrenheit, fire shields, explosion) +/- rain of Fire, rage potions
Immolation deck (phoenix, immolation) +/- lava golem
:earth
Stoneskin stall (SS, EA, titanium shield) +/- EQ, wardens** (**would really love wardens if they killed airbornes, but stalling only is meh.)
:death
Poison stalls (arsenic, poison) +/- bonewalls, skull shields, plagues
:time
(Eternity, reverse time, dune scorpions) +/- sundials
:entropy
Discorders (discord, BE, antimatter, purple dragons) +/- chaos seed, pandemonium
:gravity
Otyugh decks (otyugh, momentum) +/- chargers, grav shield
Post by: Boingo on April 04, 2011, 02:47:01 am
Possible counters for out stalls:
EQ + pulverizer (for sanctuary)
Pestal (with plenty of steals for our sanctuaries)
Discord (either mono with BE or duo with steal/explosion for our sanctuaries)
Possible counters for Crusader decks:
Reverse time/Eternity
Antimatter (for vampire crusaders/flying stilettos--also good against our dragons/pegasi)
Random thoughts:
:air bother me since last war they did a lot of BE on dragonflies but also played dragons. Fireshield will only help with the small guys, but dragons are another story.
The reason I like some of the :darkness decks is that it offers a chance to steal back our own sanctuaries (ha! 2 can play this game) and offers a wonderful healing/damage mechanism with stilettos. LS would offer a lobotomizer option for those pesky creature abilities (especially BE.) Nightmare is not something I think other teams are prepared to see from us, so it'd screw up the fractal decks and put a crimp on early game development. It's a weak card overall, but could really screw up an opponent.
Post by: RootRanger on April 04, 2011, 03:23:20 am
Note that "Teams can convert a maximum of 24 cards per round."
We won't need 12 different duos because we can convert unusable cards.
I think the current 6 duos Boingo posted will work (fire, earth, death, time, entropy, gravity).
How about we make 6 duos from those elements (and possibly a rainbow).
The rest of the cards could support those duos and be cards you could switch in and out, depending on the opponent.
Post by: coinich on April 04, 2011, 11:36:56 am
Post by: Boingo on April 04, 2011, 12:44:40 pm
I do think we need to take a Vader Sader deck though, probably one high on Steals and forego the Sanctuaries. Pack Steals, some Pends, 5 FW, and 5/6 Vampire Stilettos is a strong deck indeed, especially when SoGs are not in this environment. Most elements will be short on healing the way we aren't.Flying weapons are nearly a must. But for the regular soldier to use it we'll either need novas for :air quanta, power it with a mark (and pack darkness pillars/pendula) or limit those decks to Generals/lieutenants.
Post by: coinich on April 04, 2011, 06:01:06 pm
I must've derped, or envisioned mark powering. Good point.I do think we need to take a Vader Sader deck though, probably one high on Steals and forego the Sanctuaries. Pack Steals, some Pends, 5 FW, and 5/6 Vampire Stilettos is a strong deck indeed, especially when SoGs are not in this environment. Most elements will be short on healing the way we aren't.Flying weapons are nearly a must. But for the regular soldier to use it we'll either need novas for :air quanta, power it with a mark (and pack darkness pillars/pendula) or limit those decks to Generals/lieutenants.
Post by: RootRanger on April 04, 2011, 11:59:00 pm
Common Duos
Earth - 7
Max HP - 3
Miracle/SS Stall - 1
Blessed Wardens - 1
Blessed Wardens hrmmm's alternate - 2
Fire - 7
Sanctuary Firestall - 3
Firestall 34 card w/ Miracle - 2
Immo Rush - 2
Gravity - 6
Blessed Otyughs (Boingo alternate) - 4
Acc. angels - 2
Time - 5
Desert Crusaders - 1
Poison of the Sun - 4
Entropy - 5
Discorders - 5
Death - 4
Poison Miracle Stall - 2
Sanctuary Version - 2
Rainbow - 3
Graboid Pegasus Rushbow - 3
Air - 2
Winged Sader - 1
Peggy/Wings - 1
Darkness - 1
Vader Sader (sanctuary style) - 1
So it looks like we will be taking Earth, Fire, Gravity, Time, Entropy, and Death duos. The skeleton for one rainbow would really help.
I think a couple of these decks could use small changes, however (I've played with most of the decks on this list). Well, I'll get to that later.
As for now, how about we add in the 6 most voted on decks from each duo (204 cards, I think). Add the rainbow skeleton and we get 230 cards. This leaves 223 cards. We could make a couple copies of our strongest decks and then add in some counterdeck cards from each of our duos? Sound good? I'll be in the chat.
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2011, 03:34:07 am
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lb 5lb 5lb 5ld 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lh 5lhSo here are the 7 main decks.
We'll make sideboards around these decks until we get a total of 453 cards. Sound good?
The sideboards should contain adaptable cards that cover our weaknesses and cards that replenish the ones we had to discard.
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2011, 03:52:23 am
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5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oiI took our two rainbows and put them both in. I added 2 deflags and 2 momentums because they are useful and can also be used in our duos if we have to use them in duos. 6 flying weapons for the general or lieutenant.
So basically, this is our group of rainbow cards. We make decks based on these cards and our salvages.
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2011, 04:11:15 am
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5mq 5mq 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5fb 5fb 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5giYou can just use the code in the first set of 60 cards. It includes all 77 cards.
I took the immo rush and firestall. Added some generally useful cards and the pillars/pends to pay for it.
Post by: Boingo on April 05, 2011, 04:35:43 am
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on April 05, 2011, 04:43:38 am
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Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2011, 04:56:40 am
Earth: Use the earth deck on this page. Add some blessings and wardens for a blessed warden deck. Basilisk Bloods could also be useful. 50-60 cards.
Death: Combine the two Poison Stalls and put in mummies to help with a death rush, maybe. ~70 cards.
Before the vault is do, Zblader and I will be online to allow the vault to reach exactly 453 cards.
I hope the Earth and Death vault sets will be finished soon because it will really help us. Kirchj is working on gravity.
Thanks for helping with the vault.
Post by: kirchj33 on April 05, 2011, 05:01:47 am
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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf-Added cards from Blessed Deathstalkers, can be removed if we want to slim this down.
Post by: hrmmm on April 05, 2011, 11:13:04 am
:light
pillar: 23
pendulum: 87
photon: 6
dragon: 3
pegasus: 3
holy light: -
solar shield: 4
angels: -
blessing: 30 (!) ->24
reflectiv: -
miracle: 14
luci: 4
hope: 3
crusader: 4
sanctuary: 29 (!) ->24
morning star: 4
total: 203
:aether
-
:air
Flying weapon: 5
total: 5
:darkness
-
:death
skull shield: 3
poison: 6
plague: 5
arsenic: 3
bone wall: 3
aflotoxin: 5
mummy: 3
deathstalker: 6
total: 34
:earth
graboids: 5
titanium shield: 4
enchant artifact: 6
earth quake: 6
stoneskin: 6
basilisk blood: 6
irdium warden: 6
total: 39
:entropy
novas: 12
abomination: 4
discord: 3
antimatter: 3
butterfly efect: 2
total: 24
:fire
pillar: 4
pendulum: 4
bolt: 6
fireshield: 2
deflag: 6
fahrenheit: 2
immolation: 6
Lavagolem: 3
ragepotion: 4
phoenix: 9
total: 46
:gravity
charger: 3
armaggio: 2
gravity shield: 3
monumentum: 5
othy: 6
titan: 2
acc.: 3
total: 24
:life
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:time
deja-vus: 6
procractsionation: 2
reverse time: 5
hourglas: 3
eternity: 3
sundial: 6
precocs: 4
dunescorpio: 4
total: 33
:water
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total: 408
Post by: hrmmm on April 05, 2011, 11:26:14 am
45 cards left to fill
:light
dragons: + 6
pegasus: + 6
angels: +6
crusaders: +2
(we need more light creatures, otherwise we might run in problems doing legal decks in later rounds)
reflectiv: +3 (a must have in a bolting deck)
miracle: +2
:air
wings: 4
:fire
deflag: + 2
ragepotion: + 2
:entropy
chaos seed: +3
pandemonium: +3
butterfly effect: +1
(control, control, control)
:earth
enchant artifact: +4 (eq+pulvy is the most effectiv counter vs. sanct/miracle stalls)
edit: added wings, good idea coinich
Post by: coinich on April 05, 2011, 12:15:58 pm
Post by: kirchj33 on April 05, 2011, 05:59:40 pm
Post by: Boingo on April 05, 2011, 06:17:55 pm
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on April 05, 2011, 07:27:38 pm
If not, then I will use the list hrmmm has made.
All Vault editing has been finished.