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Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1247872#msg1247872
« on: October 04, 2016, 12:08:09 am »
So, I uh, I have a feeling this will be our last round. I just wanna put this out. I had fun, and I hope you guys did too. To me all that matters is that we did our best, even if it may not have been enough, it was an honor leading such a great team, and maybe we can meet up again next war or otherwise. I would only change one thing this war, and I'm sure you already know what it is. Nontheless though, I hope we all had fun here, because the most important thing to me is that we did have fun, and we did do our best, let's make this last round a good one, and I intend to fight to the end.

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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1247934#msg1247934
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2016, 12:51:40 pm »
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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248037#msg1248037
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2016, 08:43:24 am »
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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248070#msg1248070
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2016, 04:44:17 pm »
R1: Fight :gravity general.

R3: Fight :water general.

R5: Fight :fire general.

R6: Fight :darkness general.

I've never done War before, WMs! >:(

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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248095#msg1248095
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2016, 02:10:21 am »
vs earth: (role GENERAL) (upgrades TBD)

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I think this works very well against the 3 decks earth is known to have from round 5, and the two decks they lost with, while they would probably beat this, have both probably been discarded.  They do have a bonewall grabbow that this deck might struggle with; I'm hoping that they simply won't bring it vs us :p  If I could be sure we wouldn't see pulverizer used against us, I'd say bring dims and laugh at them.

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Absolutely laughs at gravity shield, which they've thrown at us the last two rounds.  Catatitans is going to wreck this, but other than the entropy duo, I don't think we have much of a chance against catatitans, anyway.  (maybe a darkness deck with steal could beat it?)

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I think that darkness is by far our hardest match.  I'm not really confident that this deck can win, but I think it at least has a small chance on a good draw.  It is also comprised almost entirely of cards that can be discarded with the least harm.  I'm looking at it as basically a suicide deck, except that it's actually playable.

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Death's in almost as much trouble as we are, vaultwise.  This should outheal any poison decks, laugh at any pc/cc/shields, they can't silence OTK us (unless we miss sanc draw), and we have enough shields/dials to stall an entire game vs nonPC decks, and they don't seem to have much PC left.  We've got holy lights to stop early creatures.  About the only thing I think death can do to beat this deck is a larger stall.  We could add something like a morning star, a couple dragons, and a couple more quanta to beat that.  I'm just worried that a team in almost as much trouble as we are could literally field a 60 card suicide deck to beat this.  (we can scrape by, barely, without suiciding, so I don't think death will, but I still don't like the idea it's possible.  Thoughts?)

The other deck that can be built is siphonary; however, there aren't really enough sundials or sancs to go around.  We'd have to make some cuts somewhere, and I think that every deck has to be fully optimized this round, such that even though siphonary is quite good, we can't support it and these other decks.  If we run a proper siphonary, I think we'd have to run one *extremely* bad deck in exchange.  (worse than the air duo vs darkness).

Alternately, we could run upgrades or lieutenant vs darkness (and change death to upgrades and drop 2 upped cards fairly easily) to give that deck a slightly better chance of success.  However, since darkness can probably beat anything we toss at them AND it's their general, I don't think it's even worth trying.  Apologies to Silver Emerald, but I think that matchup is unwinnable, at least not without compromising the rest of the team.  I would love for someone to correct me on this, though.

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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248108#msg1248108
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2016, 09:54:01 am »
Lt. must be versus :darkness and Siphonary is viable imho vs death (or even against darkness, maybe?), other than that I agree with dragons.
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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248139#msg1248139
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2016, 11:42:01 pm »
Is the reason Lt. "must" be versus darkness just to improve the (poor) odds of winning, or is there something I'm missing that requires this?  In past rounds we've put lieutenant wherever we want.  I agree that we could probably succeed with siphonary against death, and most of the cards that would overlap (sancs, dials) are already in the aether deckout deck, so it might be doable.

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Re: Round 6 Discussion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63267.msg1248153#msg1248153
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2016, 05:51:44 am »
Is the reason Lt. "must" be versus darkness just to improve the (poor) odds of winning, or is there something I'm missing that requires this?  In past rounds we've put lieutenant wherever we want.  I agree that we could probably succeed with siphonary against death, and most of the cards that would overlap (sancs, dials) are already in the aether deckout deck, so it might be doable.

must = improve our odds of winning

Personally, I wouldn't like to walk away from this War by not trying our best against our archenemies, Team :darkness and Team :death. We are :light! Moreover, I wouldn't like to give a free win to a top team (Team :darkness in this case) either. Just my 2 :electrum...
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